RE: Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?
October 12, 2012 at 4:43 pm
(This post was last modified: October 12, 2012 at 4:45 pm by Darkstar.)
(October 12, 2012 at 4:11 pm)Reasonable_Jeff Wrote:(October 12, 2012 at 2:16 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: This is a false analogy. You cannot make clay into feeling, conscious, self aware beings with thoughts and desires.
Analogies alway break down at some point...it doesn't mean that the point their trying to illustrate is false.
But it doesn't make it true, either.
(October 12, 2012 at 4:11 pm)Reasonable_Jeff Wrote:(October 12, 2012 at 2:16 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: If he couldn't figure out a way to "make known his power" without having to make nonbelievers, then he shouldn't have made anyone. How would you like it if the only reason God brought you into existence was to suffer in eternal torment so the elect could somehow appreciate God better? This breaks the golden rule.
Golden rule? If atheism is true, if there isn't a God, the golden rule is a fabrication, a subjective opinion. It wouldn't matter whether or not someone else adhered to it......it's subjective and not binding.
The golden rule has nothing to do with religion. It is binding because if you wrong someone else, you can be wronged back, and it is preferable to have peace than to ruin yourself and your enemy/victim.(October 12, 2012 at 4:11 pm)Reasonable_Jeff Wrote: I don't think that as an atheist/agnostic you can evaluate the character/existence of God by whether or not He passes a subjective rule or not.
If this is subjective, there is no objective morality. God issues commands at different times that contradict each other morally, so they were 'right at the time' and therefore subjective, even if god said them. http://atheistforums.org/thread-15262-po...#pid348660
(October 12, 2012 at 4:11 pm)Reasonable_Jeff Wrote:(October 12, 2012 at 2:16 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Nobody would want to not be elect and suffer in torment. Everybody would want to be elect.
Actually by nature no one wants God, people want to be gods of their own lives and not give Him glory.
Evidence? You sure seem to want to give him glory.
(October 12, 2012 at 4:11 pm)Reasonable_Jeff Wrote: Bottom line, God is creator of all. As creator, He has the right to do with His creation as He pleases. I thank Him that He has saved me, and I pray for those that do not have a relationship with Him that He may grant them eyes to see His glory and their need for a Savior.
Yep, we're just his playthings. Most burn, some don't; all for his amusement.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
