RE: Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?
October 12, 2012 at 7:11 pm
(This post was last modified: October 12, 2012 at 7:12 pm by Tea Earl Grey Hot.)
(October 12, 2012 at 4:11 pm)Reasonable_Jeff Wrote: ...
(October 12, 2012 at 2:16 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: If he couldn't figure out a way to "make known his power" without having to make nonbelievers, then he shouldn't have made anyone. How would you like it if the only reason God brought you into existence was to suffer in eternal torment so the elect could somehow appreciate God better? This breaks the golden rule.
Golden rule? If atheism is true, if there isn't a God, the golden rule is a fabrication, a subjective opinion. It wouldn't matter whether or not someone else adhered to it......it's subjective and not binding.
I don't think that as an atheist/agnostic you can evaluate the character/existence of God by whether or not He passes a subjective rule or not.
My own beliefs on morality do not matter in this debate. What matters is whether God is acting consistently with his own character and principles as traditionally established by Christianity and philosophers. God is all knowing, all just, all powerful, all everywhere, perfect, desires good etc. Whether my own beliefs about morality would allow me to make such judgments is irrelevant because I'm focusing on how God as described in the Bible breaks your own assumptions about what God must be and must not be.
Quote:(October 12, 2012 at 2:16 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Nobody would want to not be elect and suffer in torment. Everybody would want to be elect.
Actually by nature no one wants God, people want to be gods of their own lives and not give Him glory.
Yet you yourself want God. Why's that? Oh, yeah, that's right, you happen to be one of the elect.
Now that you're elect, would you rather not be elect? Or are you glad you're elect?
You obviously have no problem wanting God and giving him glory. Why do other people? Is it because they're not elect?
Quote:But God in his great mercy steps in and saves some of us....even while we are enemies of the cross.
He should have saved everyone, or if he couldn't for some reason (so much for being all-powerful) he should have made no one. It's unfair for the nonbelievers to suffer in hell for what they couldn't help. They can't help it if they were brought into existence. They can't help it if they weren't elect.
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"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
