(December 2, 2012 at 9:39 pm)Undeceived Wrote: 3. A personal, eternal, causeless being created the universe. He/she did not "come into existence", but always was."Why not save a step and say the universe always was?"
(December 2, 2012 at 9:39 pm)Undeceived Wrote: Here's the argument in summary: Infinite regress can only be avoided when the first efficient cause is eternal. But being eternal means having no change, and change is required to start a universe. That leaves us with only one solution: the eternal causal agent is a personal entity who can choose to make change in spite of his/her own changeless nature.
How does that avoid infinite regress? That leaves open the question "who created god?" And if it doesn't, then why can't the universe be causeless? Which is more likely to happen without a cause; random atoms or an omnipotent being. And no, you cannot say it is the omnipotent being because he is onmipotent and can thus do anyhting, because this would mean he would have had to have created himself. Or, if he "always was" would not an infinite amount of time have had to pass to reach this point?
