RE: The idea of God always existing
December 3, 2012 at 3:14 pm
(This post was last modified: December 3, 2012 at 3:26 pm by Undeceived.)
(December 3, 2012 at 7:36 am)pocaracas Wrote:Isn't it wonderful when we're both right?(December 3, 2012 at 2:10 am)Undeceived Wrote: Entropy: a measure inversely related to the energy available for work in a physical system. So imagine the line above running in a downwards slope from the beginning of time.
Isn't it wonderful when people just change the definitions of physical quantities, jut to suit their arguments?
http://webhome.idirect.com/~jsalvis/Read...ntropy.htm Wrote:The second law of thermodynamics says that every time energy is transformed from one state to another, there is a loss in the amount of that form of energy, which becomes available to perform work of some kind. The loss in the amount of ‘available energy’ is known as ‘entropy’. For example, if we burn a piece of coal, even then the total amount of energy remains the same but, due to the process of burning, some part of coal is transformed into sulphur-dioxide and other gases which go out and spread into space. Now, this part of the coal which has been transformed into sulfur dioxide and exhausts cannot be reborn to get the same work out of it. This kind of loss, wastage or penalty, is called 'Entropy'. The second law of Thermodynamics explains that the total entropy in the world is constantly increasing. An entropy increase, therefore, means a decrease in ‘available energy’.
(December 3, 2012 at 7:36 am)pocaracas Wrote: Maybe the Universe's entropy was at this state of so close to zero you could smell it, but drifting very very slowly away from that zero.Maybe entropy stretches back into infinity? How is that an answer? According to our naturalistic laws, use of any energy requires a cause. I see no cause. Or if there is a cause, its chain of causes is infinite with no first efficient cause. That defies naturalistic explanation--we cannot explain infinity, so we can never use infinity as a conclusion. Infinity is not a natural concept--it has not been observed, and it goes against observed natural laws. Infinity is the explanation provided when scientists hit the limits of observation. That's not to say it's impossible, but such an argument would no longer appeal to anything 'natural', would it?
(December 3, 2012 at 7:36 am)pocaracas Wrote: As you see, a completely naturalistic explanation is possible, even if unprovable.Back up. What was the naturalistic explanation?