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Can the forum's christians see the demons in other people?
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RE: Can the forum's christians see the demons in other people?
(December 5, 2012 at 7:54 pm)John V Wrote:
(December 5, 2012 at 6:47 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Life? I mean that either he knows someone is good, but sends them to hell for not accepting Jesus, or every person who doesn't accept Jesus is already evil.
Yes, that's total depravity, a common though not universally accepted doctrine.
So I'm pure evil, then? Or will he let me acept Jesus when/if he ever gives reliable evidence of his existence?

(December 5, 2012 at 7:54 pm)John V Wrote:
Darkstar Wrote:I probably should have used "symbolic" to begin with. It's still unusual, though. Couldn't he just have said flat out that he deemed women inferior?
That's not the symbolism he was going for.
And you conspicuously fail to say what he was going for. Like any literary interpretation, you won't know what the author intended the meaning to be unless the go on record and say it officially. Whether we take this as god or an ancient person, we still won't get an answer.

(December 5, 2012 at 7:54 pm)John V Wrote:
Darkstar Wrote:A pretty sick deal to let your arch-enemy take over the world and force everyone to worship him under threat of death. Speaking of 'deal', what could god possibly get out of it? He's omnipotent!
He doesn't force everyone. You noted yourself that it says deceived, and there are faithful with Jesus.
I recall certain theists saying that god won't reveal himself because we would worship out of self-preservation and not genuinely.
Revelation 13:15-16
The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads
(bolding mine)
The faithful die. Or do we consider this genuine worship?

(December 5, 2012 at 7:54 pm)John V Wrote:
Darkstar Wrote:Well, there is Exodus 22:20 “Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the Lord must be destroyed", but that could technically be overridden if we say that no sacrifices are required. Let's look at it this way, the first commandment is to not have any gods before Yahweh...
As creator he's worthy of that position. Satan didn't create us or the world. We owe him nothing. It's not at all a good analogy.
I think it would take too long to discuss this point in depth here...

(December 5, 2012 at 7:54 pm)John V Wrote:
Darkstar Wrote:God made a deal with the devil...?
It seems that way. Remember, you consider fairness, but only from the human side. What if Satan said "If you don't hold me back, I can do X, Y and Z." Now, God being omniscient might no that Satan can't do those things, butfrom a sense of fairness to Satan and/or other angels, might decide to give him a shot.

...what? Are you saying that god wanted to be fair to Satan, so he let him take over the world to make up for not letting him do what he wanted earlier?
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RE: Can the forum's christians see the demons in other people? - by Darkstar - December 5, 2012 at 8:40 pm

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