RE: Dad links son's suicide to 'The God Delusion'
December 4, 2008 at 10:51 am
(This post was last modified: December 4, 2008 at 10:56 am by Psalm 23.)
(December 4, 2008 at 9:23 am)leo-rcc Wrote: The urge to help others is in everyone of us, acting upon it is done by less. Where organized religion does help is focusing the efforts. But that does not mean it couldn't be done by any secular means. There are plenty charities in Holland that are non religious, as well as religious.That's absolutely correct. Everyone helps everyone. I didn't say that. The point I'm making is that Richard Dawkins believes religious people live in this fantasy world, but in reality, it's the religious people that are over in the Middle East trying to end the violence. I don't see Richard Dawkins in the Middle East trying to bring peace. No, but you do see Christian Missionaries in foreign fields. And the sickening part is, some of these missionaries that are trying to bring peace are being captured and stoned to death, sent to prison for life, beheaded or hanged all for doing nothing but trying to preach a peaceful word.
Christian persecution in the Middle East is frightening!!
How do you justify that?
One religion is trying to save the world, and there is another that is trying to end it by nuclear force.
So, where does "God is a delusion" separate the good from the bad?
(December 4, 2008 at 10:50 am)allan175 Wrote:When Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans the Catholic Church donated $50 million to homeless shelters, and they even opened their doors to people that were homeless and needed a place to sleep. Not to sound rude or ignorant, but I wonder if any atheists took them up on that offer in their desperate time of need?(December 4, 2008 at 10:45 am)Psalm 23 Wrote:You seem to be associating someone's "goodness" with their "religiosness" again.(December 4, 2008 at 5:31 am)allan175 Wrote:Giving blood is an unselfish deed. I didn't say atheists are not good people. I was saying "if praying makes me feel good, and I believe it can bring peace to the world." then why is that such a bad thing? Why would anyone with a logical thinking brain make up such a crazy statement that "religious people are delusional?" I think that is an extremely ignorant statement, considering the fact that Churches all over the world donate billions of dollars to "feed the hungry and homeless, give presents at christmas charites, soup kitchens on holidays for starving families" How is that delusional?(December 3, 2008 at 4:30 pm)Psalm 23 Wrote:Haha.....So, all charity and helping your fellow man only happens because the people helping are Christians?(December 2, 2008 at 12:21 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: That is not true then is it? I'm wrong, but it makes me feel good, so I will go on like it is right.It makes me feel good, and I notice there are millions of Christians donating their time in soup kitchens, disaster shelters and homeless shelters. Without Christianity, you can take away the Sunday soup kitchens for the families that are less-fortunate, and you can take away the disaster shelters for those in need during a natural disaster.
I am firmly in the atheist camp but I go and give blood religiously ( ) every 12 weeks. Maybe I should stop because I don't believe in anything supernatural.
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And in the UK you don't get paid when you donate (like I think you do in the USA).
Also, you are linking two entirely different things. Dawkins is saying they are delusional because they are believing in something they have no proof or evidence for.
That has nothing to do with their charitable natures or kindness to others that is, in my opinion, an evolved 'feature' that enabled the societies to form and stay together.
Can you see where you CANNOT call religion "Delusional?" Churches opened their doors for everyone who needed them. And I can assure you not 100% of everyone in those Churches were Christian.
Richard Dawkins' statement is a slap to the face of religious people.
I wonder if Richard Dawkins would have accepted the Churches offerings, or would he have called them delusional for trying to help people?