Virgin Mary, Ark of the Covenant

[Phatt Matt s]

Objections against the validity of the virgin birth are based mostly on preconceived notions - in the main, that the miraculous is impossible. There is no reason, other than pre-conceived notions, to reject it as historical; and to be fair, no reason other than ones own perceptions to accept it as such.

No point in arguing what you can't prove, and no, the early Church Father's and no significant communion of early Christians believed the Virgin Birth as is clearly defined in the Bible, was a mistranslation.

*As if* you can prove ONE thing about your deity. LOL. You of all people should not be talking about "arguing what you can't prove".

1. Asserting something about anything with no reference is crap, and YOU have provided NOT ONE external historical reference for anything you have claimed. What they "believed" it totally irrelevant.

2. The early "Church Fathers" were liars, and they admitted it.
Admitted, purposeful deception in the early Christian Church by "Church Fathers"
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...rly-church

The virgin birth of Jesus is the belief that Jesus was conceived in the womb of his mother Mary by the Holy Spirit and born while Mary was yet a virgin.[1] The New Testament references are Matthew 1:18-25 and Luke 1:26-38.

The virgin birth was universally accepted in the Christian church by the 2nd century, was enshrined in the Apostles’ Creed, and, except for several minor sects, was not seriously challenged until the 18th century, and remains a basic article of belief in the Roman Catholic, Orthodox, and most Protestant churches. Muslims also accept the virgin birth of Jesus.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_birth_of_Jesus


THat is right I cannot prove the Virginal birth. I already told you that.

NOw which of the Church Fathers said the VIrgin Birth was a mistranslation and which significant communion of Christians or Church believed the Virgin Birth to be a mistranslation?

THe weak claim that because the Pauline letters do not mention the Virgin birth is proof that the Gospel of Luke is Bullshit...Is Bullshit!