Virgin Mary, Ark of the Covenant

[Bucky Ball]

Oh please, barely anything you said has support from any critical historians, let alone modern Christian scholarship.

I could care less what "modern Christian" scholarship says about anything. I ONLY care what "scholarship" says, and YOU have referenced NOTHING with even ONE scholar. Only made assertions. That is utterly worthless crap.

The words in the gospels were invented/chosen by SOMEONE, (a human) or they wouldn't BE there. How ELSE did they get there ? The gospels are proclamations of BELIEF, for believers, to remind themselves what they already believed. They are IN NO WAY, "factual". YOU are the one that "needs to provide evidence" that even ONE thing in them is "factual". You can't even provide ONE piece of evidence that Jesus even existed. IF the gospels can't even agree on the day or time he died, the day or time of his trial, whether he gave a speech or was silent at the trial, states that the temple curtain was "torn" (but can't agree on the day it happened), and NOT ONE Jewish historian (who were KNOWN to be IN Jerusalem at the time), EVER ONCE mentioned that fact, and the FACT that the Sanhedrin was NEVER ONCE in all of history called into session on Passover weekend, that there was a zombie invasion (in Matthew) of Jerusalem, and NOT ONE JEW or Roman even mentions that "fact".. it's ALL a pile of horse shit.

I AM qualified to translate the OT. I am a Harvard grad student in Ancient Near Eastern Languages and Cultures. Who is NOT qualified here, is YOU.
So there's that. YOU, and everyone else here has NOT debunked the link about the translation I provided.

Jesus "prophesied" nothing. The words were (much later as a literary device) "placed in his mouth" to make it LOOK like he "prophesied" ... and even IF I grant you that he did, YOU must agree he then also said "THIS generation shall not pass away until all these things are accomplished". DID NOT HAPPEN. Yeshua ben Josef accomplished NONE of the things the Jewish messiah was to have accomplished.

They invented everything to promote their new cult. They admitted they were liars. They lied a lot. "Pious fraud" was the name of the game, as my link above proved.

You prove to me Jebus ever existed, and THEN we'll start to talk details.
List all your "scholars" and list the POLLS of ALL said scholars that PROVES what you claim is "consensus" is true. PROVE to me that ONE thing in any gospel that "Jesis said" was actually said by him, and demonstrate how they would have kept a record of that for at least 100 years with NO recording tools.

Acts "attests" to NOTHING except what believers wanted to make it "attest" to. You actually THINK they would have something (like the Gospel of Thomas, or Judas or Mary Magdalene) in the canon that contradicted their "beliefs" ? Of COURSE it "attests" to what they wanted it to "attest" to. Acts also "attests" to the fact that when Peter was talking to the Jewish authorities, they HAD NO CLUE what he was talking about when he told them they killed Jebus. IF the Jews and Romans went to ALL that trouble to kill him, why would they not go try to re-arrest him, or even look for him, IF he posed such a threat ? Cuz he never existed. He was a figment. YOU cannot determine a difference between this Jebus and the Jesus of Philo or Jesus of Gemala, or Simon of Perea. All messiahs. All died. All said to have risen in 3 days.

In the end there are 4 gospels now because Eseubius and the Roman emperor said there were too many, and he wanted them cut down. Was the "criteria" *revelation* ? No. It was "Well there are 4 winds, and 4 pillars on which the Earth stands". Real nice.

Saying "most critical" scholars is crap YOU must name them, or STFU.

from my : http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...other-Look
"In 1952, a team was set in place by the world-famous, preeminent scholar, archaeologist and pioneer discoverer of Holy Land historical sites and documents, Dr. William Foxwell Albright, the professor of Semitic languages at the Johns Hopkins University. Their job was to write criticisms and scholarly work concerning all biblical texts. The team was composed of the most respected biblical scholars in the US and Europe, including Dr. John W. Bailey, Professor Emeritus, New Testament, Berkley Baptist Divinity School, Dr Albert E. Barnett, Professor, Candler School of Theology, Emory University, Dr. Walter Russell Bowel, Professor, The Protestant Episcopal Seminary, Virginia, Dr. John Bright, Professor, Union Seminary and many others.

The team of 124 clergymen and scholars came mostly from conservative, mainline universities and churches for the most part, the likes of whom will never be seen again in one place, whose names evoke the utmost and deepest respect, even if one completely disagrees with their religious views. They wrote the huge 13 volume set, now considered a valuable rare book, called "The Interpreters Bible". Today it is usually kept under lock and key in seminaries and libraries. This set includes an introduction to scholarship and looks at every single verse and word in the Bible, discusses their origins and possible meanings from various points of view. It has been updated in the 1990's, but the original scholarship is still the central fundamental summary of knowledge, which summarized scholarship from the Medieval period to the 1850's -1950's, and is therefore considered to be an interesting historical snapshot. It is also an assurance that these absolutely respected leading intellectuals from the 20th Century scholarship, of whom most were religious, have agreed to have each others names associated with their own and that they felt comfortable with what each other were saying in an academic setting and commanded world-wide respect as conservative, careful, and sincere, life-long teachers, academics and scholars.

On page 15 of "The Interpreters Bible", Dr. Herbert F. Farmer, Professor of Divinity at Cambridge University wrote about the indispensability of the texts, their importance and how the "truth" of them should be approached, after an exposition of the traditional conservative Christian view of person-hood, sin and the salvific actions of Jesus (aka Yeshua ben Josef), known as "the Christ" in human history.

"The reason has to do with the evidence afforded by the texts themselves, and calls for fuller treatment. Scholarly research into the texts themselves, has convincingly shown that they cannot be accepted in detail as they stand."