RE: Virgin Mary, Ark of the Covenant
March 25, 2014 at 2:54 pm
(This post was last modified: March 25, 2014 at 4:38 pm by Phatt Matt s.)
At this time I don't know how to verify that what you say is true when I have read differently from Historians. When two people come to the exact opposite conclusions based on Documents from Contemporary Historians, who is right and who is wrong?
Are there not Historians or Scripture Scholars more educated than you who would say you are full of shit, (not exclusively to your comments about first and second century Historians, but the other claims you have made about everyone being deceived) and "mistranslation"?
What reason do I have that I should place my trust in you?
When sincerely asked, this question is a good one. After all, there have been false Messiahs in Jewish history. Among the most prominent were Bar Kochba and Shabbetai Zevi. Bar Kochba led a revolt against Rome in the years 132-135 C.E.
one of the most famous figures in Jewish history, Rabbi Akiva, proclaimed him to be "King Messiah." Unfortunately, Bar Kochba, Akiva and thousands of Jews were killed in 135 C.E. when the Romans stormed the stronghold of Betar. Shabbetai Zevi, on the other hand, was a self-proclaimed Messiah. Flourishing in 17th-century Europe, the Shabbatean movement spread among both the common people and the rabbis. But when Shabbetai Zevi was arrested in 1666 by the Sultan of Turkey, he converted to Islam rather than face death. We have been tragically wrong before.
In regard to some of the other content of the thread addressed to you:
Yousaid, the words in the gospel were invented: this is well outside scholarly thought, thus to make such an assertion you need to provide evidence. You should tell us who invented it and why.
Another Question you were asked is "Are you qualified to tell us what the OT scriptures say and mean?"
Another thing you didn't respond to was: Jesus correctly prophecies the fall of Jerusalem not once, but twice and it's recorded multiple times.
If you can prove to me that the prophecy that Jesus made as to the fall of Jerusalem is not an original part of the gospels, or that the synoptic gospels were written after 70AD then you have proof that you're right
Are there not Historians or Scripture Scholars more educated than you who would say you are full of shit, (not exclusively to your comments about first and second century Historians, but the other claims you have made about everyone being deceived) and "mistranslation"?
What reason do I have that I should place my trust in you?
When sincerely asked, this question is a good one. After all, there have been false Messiahs in Jewish history. Among the most prominent were Bar Kochba and Shabbetai Zevi. Bar Kochba led a revolt against Rome in the years 132-135 C.E.
one of the most famous figures in Jewish history, Rabbi Akiva, proclaimed him to be "King Messiah." Unfortunately, Bar Kochba, Akiva and thousands of Jews were killed in 135 C.E. when the Romans stormed the stronghold of Betar. Shabbetai Zevi, on the other hand, was a self-proclaimed Messiah. Flourishing in 17th-century Europe, the Shabbatean movement spread among both the common people and the rabbis. But when Shabbetai Zevi was arrested in 1666 by the Sultan of Turkey, he converted to Islam rather than face death. We have been tragically wrong before.
In regard to some of the other content of the thread addressed to you:
Yousaid, the words in the gospel were invented: this is well outside scholarly thought, thus to make such an assertion you need to provide evidence. You should tell us who invented it and why.
Another Question you were asked is "Are you qualified to tell us what the OT scriptures say and mean?"
Another thing you didn't respond to was: Jesus correctly prophecies the fall of Jerusalem not once, but twice and it's recorded multiple times.
If you can prove to me that the prophecy that Jesus made as to the fall of Jerusalem is not an original part of the gospels, or that the synoptic gospels were written after 70AD then you have proof that you're right
