(May 11, 2014 at 5:38 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:(May 11, 2014 at 4:38 pm)Beccs Wrote: Nonsense.They do not meet the proper criteria to be married, meaning. The concept of marriage aims to create families, families that fit the description of the traditions associated with marriage.
How does two men or two women who love each other and getting married invalidate anyone's straight marriage?
Does two unmarried women or two unmarried men having sex invalidate your own sexual experiences?
But since the liberal and rootless cosmopolitan mentality tries to tear down everything related to traditional social norms and institutions, they try to re-define what marriage actually tries to accomplish.
Another thing is to normalize homosexuality by giving it what it never had before, legitimacy.
Quote:Because if anyone gets to decide what is and isn't marriage, it's you, right? RolleyesWell, as it seems, no. I think hat today, only the people who have no stake in marriage are the ones who get to define what marriage and what its not.
Quote:Yeah, let's take marriage back to its roots, since traditions should never change: it should still be an exchange of property between a woman's father and a man she's never met who's looking for an addition to his harem of slaves and multiple wives!Traditions are changed via majority consensus. The way I see it, the minority forces its ways upon the majority consensus.
After all, redefining social institutions is for libruls!
Quote:And if anyone gets to define normal, it's you, isn't it? RolleyesWell, I'd say that heterosexual relationships are what is considered normal, and anything else is considered abnormal. I think that there is a consensus to that in any part of the world you visit.
And in any part of the world, marriage is defined by the standards of normal people, by that, heterosexuals who have at least some use for marriage.
Quote:Besides, the polls are clearly turning toward acceptance of LGBT folks. We'll see how long you keep squawking about how important the majority is once it actually sinks into you right wing bigot's thick heads that you're no longer in it.Acceptance is one thing, redefining society according to them is another thing.
Besides, for that to happen, like me being part of the minority in this regard, I'd say that you'd need to brainwash at least 5 more generations with your pro-gay bullshit.
Quote: Striking down marriage would be not recognizing any marriage.Well, I don't think that they do actually recognize marriage either. They have already attacked everything that made marriage important, they glorify extramarital relationships, they glorify individualism and abortions, and they disattach marriage from its traditional connection with child-bearing and child raising.
What else remains? Now they wish to include *them* as though as they had always been part of it.
When anyone thinks of marriage no one thinks of two guys in suits or two girls in wedding gowns, and this actually makes them cringe, the fact that they will never be part of contemporary society. So they viciously attack every social institution that was traditionally not open to their kind.
And when anyone says otherwise, they simply call them bigots, fascists and etc.
Nice.
And in addition to this, this neo-liberal bullshit is slowly backfiring, and reaction is on the rise, especially in Europe. I wonder what you're gonna do when it hits the US aswell.
Throughout human history there have been many forms of "traditional marriage"
Who's to say today's norms aren't in need of changing just as many of the other 'norms" have been changed through humanity evolving.
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