(May 30, 2014 at 9:28 pm)Heywood Wrote:I know others have told you, but I haven't been around the PC all day and I'd like to reply, too!(May 30, 2014 at 9:03 pm)pocaracas Wrote: I bolded the bit I'm addressing there.... make the case? What is this? Jury duty?
I made the case several times already. So far everyone has buried their head in the sand about it. We have a way of telling if something is intelligently designed or not. Experience. If it becomes our experience that new lineages of life come into existence via intelligent design and never experience lineages of life coming into existence via some natural process, then we can categorize lineages of life as things which are intelligently designed. Quit ignoring this argument. Accept it or criticize it....but don't pretend it wasn't made.
I did criticize your argument when I mentioned that all you have is humans building living organisms, based on all the "rules" of living organisms that humans had discovered before. But it seems your comprehension is a bit slow... huh?.. others have told you exactly the same, and yet, you keep parroting that no one is addressing your argument.
(May 30, 2014 at 9:28 pm)Heywood Wrote:Life, as we know it, IS self-replicating organic molecules.(May 30, 2014 at 9:03 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Knowing that watches are made by man, then any watch I find is assumed to have been made by man.
Knowing that self-replicating molecules replicate themselves naturally, through chemical reactions and that, sometimes, these replications carry errors, I expect to find, after a lot of time, self-replicating molecules that have accumulated lots and lots of "errors"... first and foremost, the errors that managed to keep the molecules replicating, and those that made it replicate even better.
All this is natural and follows physics and its subset known as chemistry.
If you wish to make the case that self-replicating molecules exist because they were designed, then you must show the designer.
Like we see the man that designs watches and cars and planes and cogs and electronics chips, etc., so too, I'd expect this designer you claim must exist to come forth. Until then, all I see is Nature working as Nature does.
You are claiming that life came from self replicating molecules. You haven't substantiated this claim.
From the simplest bacteria to the largest animal.
(May 30, 2014 at 9:28 pm)Heywood Wrote: Your claim implies another claim....that self replicating molecules of the kind required for the existence of life, come into existence outside of living systems....this is also a claim you need to substantiate. You basically claim life can come into existence via some natural process, but so far that is just a claim. If you can prove it as fact, they will give you the Nobel prize. Your hypothesis about how life could come into existence naturally....is just that.....a hypothesis....it is not a potent counter argument.
Since there's no evidence whatsoever of any paranormal intervention, the normal (natural), however unlikely, is all we can expect.
I can't give you a detailed account of how it happened for real, but I can provide you with the current thoughts on that... although.... I'm pretty sure it'll be completely dismissed by you, so I'm not even bothering.
Like I said, present your designer and show that the designer designed anything. Before that, design, the paranormal I mentioned above, cannot even be considered.