RE: Islam is true path of our lives
July 13, 2014 at 11:18 am
(This post was last modified: July 13, 2014 at 11:20 am by OceanWave.)
(July 13, 2014 at 11:17 am)Brian37 Wrote:(July 13, 2014 at 1:52 am)OceanWave Wrote: Islam is the most logical path with all beliefs practical and implement able within society.
Islam is the most beautiful because the morals, virtues it exemplifies even secular students of morals and ethics admit it as the standard of morality in humans life.
I ask all atheists here to
1. worship only Allah.
2. Live with peace, kindness, respect of others
3. Don't attack anybody first, only use self defense as the Quran states
4. Give to the poor and orphans
5. Ask me any questions regarding Islam
It's the true path and when you are on it your life will improve mentally and possibly materialistically as well
I ask you,
1. Mind your own fucking business. You do not own me.
2. Peace, yes, but through common law, not theocracy.
3. Don't attack physically, agree. But claims do not deserve taboo status.
4. You don't need a religion or god to take care of the poor and weak.
5. I have no questions about fictional sky heros other than to ask what year you think this is. We have telescopes and microscopes now.
Now do not throw a hissy fit because I picked on Allah. If you claimed your god was Vishnu or Thor it would mean exactly the same to me. I only owe you the value of non violence. I do not owe you, or even my fellow atheists claims blind value with no evidence.
Do not come in here thinking we are lost puppies to save. We don't like it when Christians do that either.
Thanks for making it clear I don't own you. I wanted to get this rational response of your cleared up. Thanks !
(July 13, 2014 at 11:17 am)Blackout Wrote:(July 13, 2014 at 11:16 am)Natachan Wrote: No....
Everyone values life. Do you not value life? Humans value a sense of fairness and justice, this has been shown by studying infants. Humans value happiness and joy. These are OBJECTIVE HUMAN VALUES that all people can access. Building on this you could form an objective system of morality that bases itself on values that are available to all people.
Your view is the one I completely corroborate, you expressed it better than I would have... I believe there is a central minimum core of human values, something that is highly related to human rights, we can have an idea of those by reading the declaration of HR... And I believe the rest of morals are relative values and people can make their judgement. For instance, many people consider murder immoral even in cases of self defense according to the requirement of necessity. I don't consider murder in cases of self defense, when it's the only available mean, something immoral, but a survival instinct
You just proved atheists relativism once again again by stating you believe in a central minimum values. That's your belief, not everyone else's though.