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Four arguments against the existence of God
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RE: Four arguments against the existence of God
(September 24, 2014 at 12:13 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: You have given a reasonable explanation of how people form thoughts by interacting with sensible bodies. You have not given is an account of to what aspect of the sensible body the thought refers. What I mean is this: at some point raw sensation gets turned into perceptions, presumably via physical processes in the brain. What quality of the external stimuli allows this process to occur? I say there is some immaterial form already there even if it is not alienable from material.
Okay. First, I don't see at all what your conjecture has to do with anything in the OP, so I'm going to reply to this and then if you wish to continue pursuing this thought, make a new thread and I'll gladly oblige. Secondly, as to "what aspect of the sensible body the thought refers," it could be any aspect that is given to perception. With the advancement of physics the past hundred and fifty years, we've had to devise new concepts to understand and describe further aspects that our sensuous experience had not hitherto accounted for. If you want to claim there is a further undiscovered aspect, it's on you to provide the evidence and "cash-value" for whatever speculation you'd like to put forth. Otherwise, you're just making shit up, in this case to suit your unintelligible and inherently mysterious theological beliefs, and that offers us zero additional knowledge (i.e. detail). When you ask, "at some point raw sensation gets turned into perceptions, presumably via physical processes in the brain. What quality of the external stimuli allows this process to occur?" You've already hinted at the answer (again: "physical processes in the brain.") This should be no more difficult for you to understand (except now you have intelligible concepts to work with and plenty left to investigate) than "some immaterial form already there" presumably doing the exact same thing (turning "raw sensation... into perceptions"). How do immaterial forms causally affect physical processes anyhow?
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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Four arguments against the existence of God - by Mudhammam - September 20, 2014 at 11:58 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Simon Moon - September 22, 2014 at 8:18 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Crossless1 - September 22, 2014 at 8:22 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Esquilax - September 22, 2014 at 10:37 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Dolorian - September 21, 2014 at 12:18 am
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Mudhammam - September 21, 2014 at 12:21 am
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Mudhammam - September 21, 2014 at 1:15 am
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Zen Badger - September 21, 2014 at 1:32 am
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Mudhammam - September 21, 2014 at 2:11 am
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Ryantology - September 21, 2014 at 2:43 am
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Zen Badger - September 21, 2014 at 2:01 am
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Dolorian - September 21, 2014 at 2:17 am
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by RobbyPants - September 22, 2014 at 2:44 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Tonus - September 23, 2014 at 3:58 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Aoi Magi - September 22, 2014 at 3:28 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Mudhammam - September 22, 2014 at 4:24 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Esquilax - September 22, 2014 at 7:49 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Crossless1 - September 22, 2014 at 8:06 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Simon Moon - September 22, 2014 at 10:32 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Esquilax - September 22, 2014 at 10:40 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Mudhammam - September 22, 2014 at 11:07 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Mudhammam - September 23, 2014 at 9:40 am
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Esquilax - September 23, 2014 at 10:01 am
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Esquilax - September 23, 2014 at 7:12 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Simon Moon - September 23, 2014 at 8:23 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Esquilax - September 23, 2014 at 9:05 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Simon Moon - September 23, 2014 at 11:53 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Ryantology - September 22, 2014 at 8:08 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by RobbyPants - September 23, 2014 at 10:20 am
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by KUSA - September 22, 2014 at 4:34 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Cato - September 22, 2014 at 4:36 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Aoi Magi - September 22, 2014 at 4:38 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Minimalist - September 22, 2014 at 8:50 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Crossless1 - September 22, 2014 at 9:02 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Mudhammam - September 23, 2014 at 3:05 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Mudhammam - September 23, 2014 at 10:33 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by genkaus - September 24, 2014 at 4:18 am
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by RobbyPants - September 24, 2014 at 10:32 am
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Minimalist - September 23, 2014 at 3:13 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Mudhammam - September 24, 2014 at 1:18 pm
RE: Four arguments against the existence of God - by Simon Moon - September 24, 2014 at 7:33 pm

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