(October 2, 2014 at 4:03 pm)alpha male Wrote:(October 2, 2014 at 3:54 pm)TaraJo Wrote: Yes, the OP was one isolated incident. But it's part of a pattern. So, sure, OP might be objectionable to feminism because of that one incident. Me, I object to feminism because the story OP told isn't surprising at all. I hear about stories like that all the fucking time. How often do things like this have to happen before you people acknowledge it?Sorry, but when I hear of crazy behavior from a depressed, suicidal feminist who's receiving regular psychological care, it's not the feminism that sticks out to me. I'm gonna have to go ahead and attribute the crazy behavior to the known mental illness, rather than the feminism.
No, she doesn't seem to be a feminist leader, but she's empowered by the modern incarnation of feminism to see everything in society as victimizing her. The opposite side of that coin is that she's also empowered by feminism to see dudes as always victimizing. The victim mentality that I see within the movement is very strong and, yes, it hurts people. Hell, I have my own, personal experiences that can tell you how these attitudes can hurt people.
Quote:Quote:Yet your first response in this thread wasn't to acknowledge that there are crazy, extremist assholes within feminism and that many of them are actually leaders within society, college professors, authors and generally well respected, which puts them in positions to do a lot of damage.Of course not, as OP had nothing to do with extremist feminist assholes who are leaders in society.
Only in that it has to do with the influence they have on their followers. Claiming that the extremist feminist leaders had nothing to do with this would be kinda like claiming that Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.
Quote:Quote:No, your first response was to condemn the person who was telling his story.Yes, as he clearly admitted to employing a stereotype based on isolated experiences.
So, at what point to these type of experiences become common enough that they're worthy of your attention? Or, at least, at what point do these kind of experiences become common enough that they aren't called "stereotypes based on isolated experiences?"
Quote:Quote:Pay attention to the first part of Jaclynn Glenn's video hereNo thanks, type it out if it's worthwhile.
She left Catholicism for Protestantism (before later on becoming an atheist), and part of it was because she objected to the Catholic church covering for pedo-priests. Instead of acknowledging that there was an issue there, the Catholics all took the defensive which led her to believe that either 1) they actually were guilty of things like that or 2) their alegiance towards peope who do things like that is more important to them than understanding her perspective. Either way, it's shit. And she's said the same thing has happened to her when she speaks out about the bad behavior she's also seen come from many self identified feminists, especially the ones over at Atheism+ and FreeThoughtBlogs.
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"If you cling to something as the absolute truth and you are caught in it, when the truth comes in person to knock on your door you will refuse to let it in." ~ Siddhartha Gautama