RE: Why I am so passionate about speaking out against feminism.
October 3, 2014 at 9:06 am
(This post was last modified: October 3, 2014 at 9:12 am by John V.)
(October 2, 2014 at 4:28 pm)TaraJo Wrote: No, she doesn't seem to be a feminist leader, but she's empowered by the modern incarnation of feminism to see everything in society as victimizing her. The opposite side of that coin is that she's also empowered by feminism to see dudes as always victimizing. The victim mentality that I see within the movement is very strong and, yes, it hurts people. Hell, I have my own, personal experiences that can tell you how these attitudes can hurt people.Again, when I hear of crazy behavior from a person with known mental illness who identifies as a feminist, I find it more reasonable to attribute the crazy behavior to the mental illnesses rather than the feminist beliefs.
Quote:Only in that it has to do with the influence they have on their followers. Claiming that the extremist feminist leaders had nothing to do with this would be kinda like claiming that Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.When they're coming from otherwise sane people and represent a majority of feminists I suppose.
So, at what point to these type of experiences become common enough that they're worthy of your attention? Or, at least, at what point do these kind of experiences become common enough that they aren't called "stereotypes based on isolated experiences?"
In the business/professional world, there are a lot of "Women in [field]" groups. This is a type of feminism. These groups are usually pretty reasonable in their views. I don't think it's reasonable to judge feminism by the fringe types that make headlines.
Quote:She left Catholicism for Protestantism (before later on becoming an atheist), and part of it was because she objected to the Catholic church covering for pedo-priests. Instead of acknowledging that there was an issue there, the Catholics all took the defensive which led her to believe that either 1) they actually were guilty of things like that or 2) their alegiance towards peope who do things like that is more important to them than understanding her perspective. Either way, it's shit. And she's said the same thing has happened to her when she speaks out about the bad behavior she's also seen come from many self identified feminists, especially the ones over at Atheism+ and FreeThoughtBlogs.Yes, the fringe may stick together and defend one another. No surprise there.
(October 2, 2014 at 4:26 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Ugh, whatever alpha, I'm glad you know exactly what other people believe without having to listen to them.I have listened. It's clear that he is biased against feminism due to personal experiences. That he doesn't like that assessment and denies it does not cancel out all the things he said to the contrary.