RE: Why do politicians apologise for islam?
October 12, 2014 at 11:33 am
(This post was last modified: October 12, 2014 at 11:38 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
(October 12, 2014 at 5:27 am)mralstoner Wrote: Equally fuckheaded? Oh really. If you read the biographies of Mohammed and Jesus to a 5th grader, even they could see that Mohammed was a far more violent man than Jesus.
I said "equally fuckheaded". I didn't say they were equally violent in today's world.
Of course, if you look at the 30 Years' War, you'd realize that Christians are no slouch at violence, either.
(October 12, 2014 at 5:27 am)mralstoner Wrote: Since the key precept in both religions is the imitation of their archetypal prophets, it's only logical that Islam is more likely to inspire violence than Christianity. Not surprisingly, the data fits the theory i.e just watch the freakin news.
That's not the key precept of either religion. The key precept of Christianity is the acceptance of the "sacrifice" of Christ as a means for redemption, and the key precept of Islam is submission to Allah's will. The imitation of the prophets is a tertiary imperative ... if even that.
Additionally, you're still not answering my original point, which is that IS is not representative of the wider Muslim community.
(October 12, 2014 at 5:27 am)mralstoner Wrote: The critical question is not what "Muslims the world over support" because Muslims, like Christians, are many and varied.
Actually, that is the question, because the OP said, "So if you're reading this, islam wants you dead !" as if it's a monolilthic mass of believers worldwide. That is exactly why I'm making this point as well.
(October 12, 2014 at 5:27 am)mralstoner Wrote: No, the critical question is: do the extremists have a convincing/plausible interpretation of Islam or not? And the answer to that is: yes they undeniably do, just read the biography of Mohammed: headchopping, rape, slavery, torture etc. The life of Jesus (a hippy) in no way compares to Mohammed (a butchering, warlord rapist).
IN that sense, sure. But that is not put into practice by the vast majority of the world's Muslims, and acting as if it is is not accurate.
(October 12, 2014 at 5:27 am)mralstoner Wrote: This makes the Islamic holy books are clear and present danger to the non-Muslim world, because it means that in any given Muslim population a significant percentage will be drawn to this extremist (yet plausible) interpretation.
[Emphasis added -- Thump]
Define "significant percentage", and back that claim up with data.
(October 12, 2014 at 5:27 am)mralstoner Wrote: What we do about it is another question entirely. The two religions are equally delusional, but the archetypal example (the key concept of both religions) of Mohammed is far more likely to inspire violence than Jesus. Even a 5th grader can see it.
That's probably true -- but it doesn't answer my point, because my point was about how representative IS is.
(October 12, 2014 at 5:27 am)mralstoner Wrote: (Yes the Old Testament is also barbaric, but largely rendered moot by the peaceful example of Jesus).
I'd suggest you read your Bible a little more; it has passages which undermine this misunderstanding of yours.