RE: Why do politicians apologise for islam?
October 12, 2014 at 9:43 pm
(This post was last modified: October 12, 2014 at 9:58 pm by mralstoner.)
(October 12, 2014 at 11:33 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Of course, if you look at the 30 Years' War, you'd realize that Christians are no slouch at violence, either.My point is that religious doctrine/ideology inspires violence. This is easily observable with Muslims who quote liberally from their holy books to justify their violence. The same can't be said of Christians who have to twist spiritual passages like "take up your cross".
(October 12, 2014 at 11:33 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: That's not the key precept of either religion. The key precept of Christianity is the acceptance of the "sacrifice" of Christ as a means for redemption, and the key precept of Islam is submission to Allah's will. The imitation of the prophets is a tertiary imperative ... if even that.You're splitting hairs. In practical terms, in this earthly life, the key precept in both religions is the imitation of their prophets. Mohammed is a "beautiful pattern of conduct" to follow (90 verses in the Koran say that). Jesus said "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me". Actions speak louder than words, that's why their behavioural example is important. (And "Allah's will" is that dying while fighting for the sake of Allah is the noblest deed, hence they go straight to paradise.)
(October 12, 2014 at 11:33 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Additionally, you're still not answering my original point, which is that IS is not representative of the wider Muslim community."Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it". (2:216) i.e. martyrdom for Allah is the greatest thing a Muslim can do, but it's no surprise that many Muslims don't want anything to do with it.
(October 12, 2014 at 11:33 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Define "significant percentage", and back that claim up with data.You look quite normal but you're deep into liberal loony la la land. It's irrelevant what the percentage is. Just look at how stretched our Western intelligence agencies are trying to cope with all the local Muslims who are inspired by ISIS to commit terrorism here. We can't cope now, let alone in the future.
(October 12, 2014 at 11:33 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I'd suggest you read your Bible a little more; it has passages which undermine this misunderstanding of yours.Wrong again. I'm here defending rationality and the West world, not Christianity. Islam is a clear and present danger. You must live in a Ben Affleck fantasy world where religious doctrine is somehow beyond comprehension/analysis, or irrelevant. I live in the real world where there are clear themes in the different religions, they're obviously not all the same, and not equally capable of inspiring violence.
Badminton and Thai Boxing are both sports, but not equally violent. Ditto with religions ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfKLV6rmLxE