Why do politicians apologise for islam?

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Give your evidence showing that Muslims the world over support ISIS, or modify your point. Exercise your critical thinking skills, employ your intelligence, and demonstrate your reasoning.

-- or lose audience.

Or maybe muslims the world over should show that they don't support IS !!!

After all it's the same instruction manual they read.

Or would they rather unpack their new 52inch tv tonight than going out to smite the infidel?



Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Pretty sure this is a double standard. I haven't seen you criticizing WBC lately.

There have been well-known Muslim clerics who explicitly disavow IS.

Did Billy Graham ever criticize the Christians killing each other in Ireland? More to the point, did you expect him to?

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My point is that religious doctrine/ideology inspires violence. This is easily observable with Muslims who quote liberally from their holy books to justify their violence. The same can't be said of Christians who have to twist spiritual passages like "take up your cross".

You missed my point, which is that religious differences can result in murderous behavior in any sect. I could have chosen a more recent example (cf. the Irish Troubles). They don't have to twist anything at all,; they merely need to kill over religious differences.

You're splitting hairs. In practical terms, in this earthly life, the key precept in both religions is the imitation of their prophets. Mohammed is a "beautiful pattern of conduct" to follow (90 verses in the Koran say that). Jesus said "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me". Actions speak louder than words, that's why their behavioural example is important. (And "Allah's will" is that dying while fighting for the sake of Allah is the noblest deed, hence they go straight to paradise.)

I'm not "splitting hairs"; you're hunting flies with sledgehammers. You say "Actions speak louder than words", yet you ignore the fact that the overwhelming majority of Muslims in this world are not practitioners of religious violence -- and then you quote words to criticize them no matter their inaction.

"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it". (2:216) i.e. martyrdom for Allah is the greatest thing a Muslim can do, but it's no surprise that many Muslims don't want anything to do with it.

So, while you say above that "actions speak louder than words, you're now arguing that Allah's complaint is also damning?

Clearly, you're biased against their faith -- as am I, by the way. But the difference between you and I is that you aren't taking the time or effort to question your own premises; you're being mentally lazy, and sucking the mass-media teat.

You look quite normal but you're deep into liberal loony la la land. It's irrelevant what the percentage is. Just look at how stretched our Western intelligence agencies are trying to cope with all the local Muslims who are inspired by ISIS to commit terrorism here. We can't cope now, let alone in the future.

First -- define "local", and then cite numbers for how many plots are in the works. You clearly have an inside line on this sort of stuff, but if you want to be convincing, you'll need to say what you know.

What is the basis for your claim here? Provide objective sources. Your word carries no weight on this side of the screen, and likely not on those of the readers of this thread.

Give data.

Wrong again. I'm here defending rationality and the West world, not Christianity. Islam is a clear and present danger. You must live in a Ben Affleck fantasy world where religious doctrine is somehow beyond comprehension/analysis, or irrelevant. I live in the real world where there are clear themes in the different religions, they're obviously not all the same, and not equally capable of inspiring violence.

I didn't accuse you of defending Christianity; I'd suggest you reread my point, this time for comprehension rather than rhetoric. I pointed out to you that there are passages in the Bible that clearly state that Jesus did not obviate the Old Testament brutality that you so rightly criticize.

I'll be happy to link to those passages. You clearly haven't read them, as you didn't understand my reference. Ask nicely, and I'll give you a link. Or, we could have a game and let the first reader who knows the verses I'm talking about pipe up.

Badminton and Thai Boxing are both sports, but not equally violent. Ditto with religions ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfKLV6rmLxE

I don't think Islam and Christianity are equally violent; that is your strawman you've built. What I said, for the English-impaired, is that ISIS does not represent Muslims as a whole.

When you learn to read English, get back to me.

Until then, understand that you're beating a piñata -- not my point.