RE: If the universe was fine tuned for our life...
December 7, 2014 at 5:29 am
(This post was last modified: December 7, 2014 at 6:25 am by robvalue.)
I can't think of any possible way to test that we are in a simulation. The nearest thing I have to "evidence" is that there is a limit to relative speed, which seems like a computer trait, but I'm sure that says more about my ignorance than the nature of reality.
If anyone has links to serious studies being done in this, actually testing it, I'd be very interested. I know all about the simulation hypothesis, it's very cool but is far from solid yet. Awful lot of assumptions.
The problem I have is that whatever we discover about our reality, how do we know it isn't "just that way"?
The only test I have heard of is to see if the usual laws go wonky at the boundaries, if there are any. But again, we describe not prescribe with laws, so who's to say that isn't just what happens anyway?
However... It would make a bit of sense of the uncertainty principle and electrons having probability space instead of definite positions.
Memory saving devices?
But again... It could just be like that.
It's interesting, but I dunno, I'm not too convinced yet. It seems to be about testing reality against what we think reality would/should be like, and comparing it to other stuff like computer programs. I don't think we know enough about reality to be able to predict what should be happening, if we ever can.
But I'll reserve judgement until I've read more about it. (But it's bollocks.)
Ok, here's the thing. If anyone can help me with this, please do!
We have one "reality" let's say. We have no knowledge of any other realities, or any evidence that there are any others.
So how can we say anything comparative about this reality? If I claim this reality is the sort of reality with a quality X that not all realities have then:
How do I know there are any other realities? If there aren't, it's a meaningless statement.
If there are any other realities, what would a reality without the quality X be like?
The answer to the above seems to be, "I dunno, but it wouldn't look like this."
This is my problem with intelligent design, and claiming we are in a simulation reality. And anything else really. We are the biggest reality? The best? We have nothing to compare it to. What would a non simulation reality be like?
Comparing reality to other facets of the same reality seems to me like proving the bible is true using the bible. And we all know how well that works out.
If anyone has links to serious studies being done in this, actually testing it, I'd be very interested. I know all about the simulation hypothesis, it's very cool but is far from solid yet. Awful lot of assumptions.
The problem I have is that whatever we discover about our reality, how do we know it isn't "just that way"?
The only test I have heard of is to see if the usual laws go wonky at the boundaries, if there are any. But again, we describe not prescribe with laws, so who's to say that isn't just what happens anyway?
However... It would make a bit of sense of the uncertainty principle and electrons having probability space instead of definite positions.
Memory saving devices?
But again... It could just be like that.
It's interesting, but I dunno, I'm not too convinced yet. It seems to be about testing reality against what we think reality would/should be like, and comparing it to other stuff like computer programs. I don't think we know enough about reality to be able to predict what should be happening, if we ever can.
But I'll reserve judgement until I've read more about it. (But it's bollocks.)
Ok, here's the thing. If anyone can help me with this, please do!
We have one "reality" let's say. We have no knowledge of any other realities, or any evidence that there are any others.
So how can we say anything comparative about this reality? If I claim this reality is the sort of reality with a quality X that not all realities have then:
How do I know there are any other realities? If there aren't, it's a meaningless statement.
If there are any other realities, what would a reality without the quality X be like?
The answer to the above seems to be, "I dunno, but it wouldn't look like this."
This is my problem with intelligent design, and claiming we are in a simulation reality. And anything else really. We are the biggest reality? The best? We have nothing to compare it to. What would a non simulation reality be like?
Comparing reality to other facets of the same reality seems to me like proving the bible is true using the bible. And we all know how well that works out.
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