RE: If faith works how every religion says it works......
August 9, 2010 at 10:23 pm
(This post was last modified: August 9, 2010 at 10:53 pm by RAD.)
(August 9, 2010 at 12:42 pm)tavarish Wrote: If this method was valid, you would then have to test all other religious claims by the same merit, which would not only be a wild goose chase, but also a colossal waste of time and energy.
I said "the claims and promises." Obviously you would pick the one with the greatest promises. Um, like scientists do? Muhammed makes 4-5 fewer major promises than Jesus, promises only an irrational person would turn down. The typical atheist doesn't seem to mind testing 20 philosophies that never took one felon off the streets and made him wash cars, so your argument is hypocritical anyway.
Quote:I propose a better solution:
In order to test the claims of Christianity, first define the claims, then produce evidence to support those claims that does not require one to already assume the claims are true.
I never said you had to assume anything. I said you test the claims, like scientists do.
Quote:They have to be falsifiable to have any merit.
So go falsify one.
(August 9, 2010 at 3:59 pm)Thor Wrote: But then again, I trust only a few atheists would be unhappy about the fact that some converted L.A gang members are offering to wash our cars instead of stealing them.
Yes, it's quite convenient how many criminals "find religion" in prison, isn't it? Think it has anything to do with trying to get paroled earlier?
In some cases yes. Some no. I am also talking about people not in prison who are led to Jesus, and have tried everything else usually, like stealing cars to feed a habit.
(August 9, 2010 at 10:19 pm)ABierman1986 Wrote: Well, I'm certainly willing to take my chances on that one.
Fine but realize that, rationally speaking, if God exists we are boneheads by definition. Agreed?
Do you really want to overlook an obvious truth right now and cross your fingers without a thorough investigation, and testing all Jesus promised? It only takes a major change in attitude, and a few minutes to get your first clue.
Quote:So God just picked a place to put down his word and the others get a shot at it later, until the friendly missionaries showed up to finally disperse the word?
You don't need any missionary, and I really don't buy the "we worry about people who never heard the word more than you do" stance.
If God doesn't make everything right one day, I will go to hell with you, be assured. But I have no doubt he will.
"Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings."
Indeed. I like that one!
"God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?"
A logical fallacy I'm afraid