RE: A Conscious Universe
January 30, 2015 at 11:35 am
(This post was last modified: January 30, 2015 at 11:50 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 30, 2015 at 10:21 am)bennyboy Wrote: I can feel the yin/yang wheel starting to spin. I'm going to keep explaining that my only interface with reality is through subjective experience, and you're going to keep waving at the brain and saying it's in there somewhere, we just haven't exactly figured it out yet.Well, we have figured that part out. If I removed your brain..you reckon you'd be doing any "interfacing"? It's not just "in there somehwre" it -is the there, and the somewhere. Your experiences are a description of a physical system.
Quote:Mind is not just one piece of the puzzle to add to the "to-do" list of science. It is the most central feature of human existence, and the biggest philosophical problem for a physical monist view of reality.Except that it isn't unless you can give me some reason to think that it is. I see no problem. I've explained why I see no problem.
Quote: If you think reality has been defined, then show how science explains the existence of qualia. Until then, I request that you not complain that ideas contrary to your own world view are "redefining reality."Reality isn't dependent on any individuals qualia, that's another "wtf" request. Offering an explanation is easy as pie, determining whether or not that explanation is accurate in terms of our experience, our qualia, not so much. I've offered a simple explanation of qualia many, many times to you. A "service" of a computational system, very physical - advanced diagnostics, if you will. Unless you're able to describe qualia in some way that I cannot model with any number of physical systems, there's no reason to assume that the existence of qualia requires the existence of some nebulous "else". It -can- be done in a monism...is that how we do it......I don't know. Can you see why this subtle distinction leaves the "qualia is a problem for a monism" statement at a -meh- spot for me? I can't explain the minutae of the human mind for you in excruciating detail (and if I could I'd probably be explaining it elsewhere, eh?)....but just because I can't explain that, this doesn't mean that your position regarding the problems of qualia and a monism are credible.
This is akin to claiming that because science can't explain -the aether- there must be something wrong with science, rather than -the aether-. Make one fewer assumption and there is no problem, eh.....and we see how that turned out for -the aether-.
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