A Conscious Universe

[The Grand Nudger]

@Benny.....Our descriptions are acknowledged as abstraction. It all falls apart from the very beginning Benny. Your comments are all very sensible, and very logical - regarding concepts and the limits of concepts. But it appears that there is more to the world than concept, and that our concepts are very often in error. QM isn't a lifeboat that can save any old thing you toss in it with a wave of the hand - QM is still about "stuff". We use math because our machinery is incapable of perceiving these interactions or expressing them in familiar terms...abstraction is required because it is the only means available to us. I can't see infrared (I have no "infrared qualia", and that should be telling....) so it's a number..because some things can, infrared is present, even though I cant see it. It's useful to have a means with which to describe that. That says something about us, not the nature of reality.

One fewer assumption.....

@Chad.....the "idea of a bird" is based upon the qualities shared by birds. It's true, there is an "idea of a bird" that's separate from birds...and because of this...some people think that bats are birds. Bats don't become birds just because people think that they are..... You can see where this is going, I trust? No one "thinks using ideas" we think...by using our brains. That's some serious folk neurology in that little morsel there........