RE: A Conscious Universe
January 30, 2015 at 10:29 pm
(This post was last modified: January 30, 2015 at 10:32 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 30, 2015 at 10:22 pm)bennyboy Wrote: We can talk about the specific mechanism of generating/holding information later.
No, we can't, because I'm not talking about generating or holding information (you keep insisting that it is some discrete thing itself - it isn't), I'm explaining to you that information isn't generated or held -by- things...., it is a description of a state -of- things.
Quote: Please just address my point: that information about a "thing" does not prove the existence of that thing as more than information.which begs the question...what is information. So....see above.
Quote:In the Matrix, if you see person, you have information about a person: size, shape, color, movement. But none of that information represents an actual person.It represents some other physical thing (and can stand in for some third thing). That's how and why abstraction works both in our reality, and conceptually, in a physical monism (assuming for the sake of argument there is or could be a difference).
Quote: The coherence comes from the IDEA of the thing, which is sufficient to generate the information.See above.
Quote: The information you see exists-- of course it does, you are experiencing it.see above.
Quote: But that doesn't mean there is a real Agent Smith in any real universe.Except that there -is- a "real agent smith", except he's not a person. He's a description of the state of a machine or collection of machines.
Quote: Whether or not the idea is encoded in physical hardware somewhere, Agent Smith himself is still not more than an idea.The "idea" -is- the hardware.
Now...FTR...you were saying something about me stretching a metaphor.....?
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