If faith works how every religion says it works......

[Thor]

Some revival leaders have led far more people to Jesus than Jesus did, millions more,

You mean "revival leaders" like Peter Popoff and Jimmy Swaggart?

Miracles are secondary and really only a sign to help others believe,

I've never seen a "miracle". And why is it that this deity has never performed a miracle where someone's missing limb was replaced?

although Jesus did say some won't believe "even though one rise form the dead", like yourself probably.

Not true at all! Go get a dead body and pray to Jesus for that body to come back to life. If life is restored to that body, I'll definitely believe!

You can claim he meant only miracles, but then you have no proof of that.

And you have no proof that "Jesus" ever truly existed.

14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. (14:13-14)

1.He's speaking to the disciples, not somebody who is testing him like the Pharisees did or the devil did. Ironic, isn't it? You do the same things religious people did in his day.

Let's look again at what is written: "He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also"

Says nothing about this comment being restricted to the disciples! Next statement:

"And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do"

The "ye" in this statement refers back to the "he" in the previous statement. What "Jesus" is saying is that if you believe in him, you will do the same works as "Jesus". He then says that he will do whatever you ask in his name.

Now, the next statement: " If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it."

Seems pretty clear to me. Believe in Jesus, ask for anything in his name, and he will do it. Of course, we all know this is not true. Which is why believers have to come up with something to explain WHY this is not true. "Oh, well.... he's talking to the disciples! He doesn't mean us!"

Bullshit.

As Jesus said, "No sign will be given to them" who are merely testing him. (Although a sincere, truly open-minded test is OK)

And this is bullshit! If "Jesus" truly answered prayers we would see the results! Even if people weren't testing him, we would notice that a significantly higher percentage of (for example) cancer patients recovered when they prayed to Jesus as compared to people who didn't pray to Jesus. Nice try, though.

2. We hear elsewhere it has to be "according to his will" although miracles can be is will, and many Christians have seen bonifide miracles. (I lost the tape you will doubtless demand to see, sorry)

Please list ONE verified "miracle". I'm not asking for something that is unexplained, either. Being cured of a disease doesn't count (that is simply unexplained). I'm talking about something that defies natural laws. I'll also accept an instance where missing or deformed body parts regenerated after prayer.

14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

My personal experience is that I got as much or more than I asked for, although not overnight.

Nice try at evasion. Like I said, pray sincerely for all the blind people in the world to be given 20/20 vision by tomorrow at noon Eastern Time. "Jesus" said that if you believe in him, he will do whatever you ask if done in his name. I'll even write the prayer for you.

"Oh, Lord Jesus. We ask humbly in your name that all the blind people on Earth, and those with impaired eyesight, be given 20/20 vision by noon Eastern time on August 13, 2010. We ask for your grace in this humble request. Amen."

That oughta do it! If what you believe is true, I would expect that there will be millions of people rejoicing in the next 24 hours.

Can I ask, if you could experience those "rivers of living water flowing from [your] innermost being," would you care about the rest? I suddenly didn't.

I don't even know what you're talking about.

If Christianity is true, every blind person should promptly have perfect vision!

And I haven't the slightest doubt we all will see perfectly one day, in which case your demand for instant universal phyical healing will look stupid. Right?

Who's talking about everyone seeing perfectly "some day"? How does that help blind people today? Typical religious nonsense. "One day" blah, blah, blah.

But let me ask quite seriously, if Jesus came back and instantly healed 62% of all wounded vets, and healed the diseases of 81% of all the terminally ill patients in all the hospitals of the world over a period of one month, would you serve him?

If some guy claimed to be Jesus and walked through hospitals healing people with a touch of his hand, and this was absolutely verified, then, yes, I would believe in Jesus. Would I serve him? What would that entail? Because I already live a moral life, give to charity, help people when I can and serve my community.