If faith works how every religion says it works......

[Thor]

You mean "revival leaders" like Peter Popoff and Jimmy Swaggart?

No, more like Whitefield, Wesley, Seymour, etc

I don't have time to list all the evangelicals who have been involved in scandals, so here's a list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chr...t_scandals

Have fun reading!

I've never seen a "miracle".

And?

You want to tell me "miracles" occur. I've never seen one. And, apparently, you can't show me where one has occurred.

And why is it that this deity has never performed a miracle where someone's missing limb was replaced?

Red herring

Not a red herring at all! You want to claim miracles occur. Well, why is it that there are no absolutely, verifiable, undeniable miracles? A limb regenerating after prayer would be hard to ignore!

Not true at all! Go get a dead body and pray to Jesus for that body to come back to life. If life is restored to that body, I'll definitely believe!

The demons believe and tremble.

What "demons"? And how can you possibly know this for a fact?

I asked if you would serve him.

And I answered you.

And you have no proof that "Jesus" ever truly existed.

Well then the Gospel writers were lying, which it is up to you to prove, per legal slander/libel rules

Do you know who wrote the gospels? Because no one else does. And if this is your standard, do you believe the Koran? If not, then you must conclude that the writers of the Koran were lying. And what makes the writers of the Bible any more believable than the writers of the Koran?

Let's look again at what is written: "He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also" Says nothing about this comment being restricted to the disciples!

Heh. It's the disciples

Says you.

but it doesn't matter because you don't believe anyway.

Not only do I not believe it, I honestly can't understand how any reasonably intelligent adult can possibly believe it.

It doesn't say "miracles." That is merely a convenient assumption.

It says, "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." ANY THING! And you say it is "a convenient assumption" to think this includes miracles? What does "any thing" mean to you?

And this is bullshit! If "Jesus" truly answered prayers we would see the results! Even if people weren't testing him, we would notice that a significantly higher percentage of (for example) cancer patients recovered when they prayed to Jesus as compared to people who didn't pray to Jesus. Nice try, though.

Over 20 years, there was a 40% reduction in the prison population of England and Wales after the revival that began in Wales around 1905.

Are you saying that the people of England and Wales prayed for a reduction in the prison population? Because if not, then this is a non-answer to my post. Read what I wrote again. And this is the best you can do? A reduction in the prison population after a "revival"? Nothing about reductions in infant mortality, cancer rates, accidental deaths, blindness or poverty? Also, how can you know that the reduction in the prison population is connected to the "revival"?

This is the only data collected like that, by an independent entity.

Please cite this "independent entity".

But we have annecdotal testimony coming out the wazoo, like miners taxing themselves ot build libraries.

Source? And what does this prove anyway?

We have you rposter boy Franklim marveling at "the change soon made in our citizens" of Philadelphia. (Another greater work)

What kind of change? And this proves.....?

"Oh, Lord Jesus. We ask humbly in your name that all the blind people on Earth, and those with impaired eyesight, be given 20/20 vision by noon Eastern time on August 13, 2010. We ask for your grace in this humble request. Amen."

That oughta do it! If what you believe is true, I would expect that there will be millions of people rejoicing in the next 24 hours.

1. Works isn't necessarily miracles.

AGAIN.... ANY THING!

2. I would be merely testing God.

HONK! HONK! HONK!

Oops... my rationalization meter just went off.

And how would YOU be "testing God"? YOU would simply be praying for blind people to have their sight restored. Unless, of course, you don't want to pray for such a thing. Which I think would make you kind of a prick.

Do you grasp at all why Jesus didn't do what the devil said he should when he was on the mountain????

Do you grasp at all that the story of Jesus meeting the devil on a mountain is pure poppycock?

I could pretty well guess your answer. I've been doing this awhile, off and on, to see how well I can still answer any question/argument, and to balance a horribly biased, revisionist and illogical approach to fact finding

And you say this without even a hint of irony!

I don't mean this as a cut at all, but you're too self-righteous to be a follower, at the moment.

No, I'm not dimwitted enough to be a follower.