If faith works how every religion says it works......

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Are you saying that the people of England and Wales prayed for a reduction in the prison population? Because if not, then this is a non-answer to my post. Read what I wrote again. And this is the best you can do? A reduction in the prison population after a "revival"? Nothing about reductions in infant mortality, cancer rates, accidental deaths, blindness or poverty? Also, how can you know that the reduction in the prison population is connected to the "revival"?

Well actually the illegitimate birth rate went down too.

Anecdotally the revival also saw judges wearing white gloves because they had nothing to do, troubled boys wanting to go to church, (which is why the illegitimate birth rate went down probably), miners taxing themselves to build libraries and confusing the pit ponies with their curse-free speech

I guess you never read what W.T. Stead said about the revival and how it changed the whole country of Wales and much of England. I read everything, but perhaps your faith in Lord Self isn't strong enough yet to go read about Christian revivals and how they changed the world, how Christians led the Enlightenment, etc. You know, so you can make a fair, balanced and rational appraisal?

What does "anything" mean to you?

Anything, including revivals larger than Jesus ever saw. So the "greater works" have clearly been done, and Jesus was right. You are simply demanding the works be what you personally define as a greater work, and there is obviously baiting involved. One reason I would never ask for him to heal all the blind people of the world (besides my lack of faith) is that I don't believe it's his will. What would that gain him? People whining he didn't grow out all the missing limbs in the world. Right?

And if this is your standard, do you believe the Koran? If not, then you must conclude that the writers of the Koran were lying.

I give the Koran the same credence I give the New Testament, for the same reasons-- actually the same reasons the agnostic Durant believes the bulk of it. Ever read his rational for believing the Gospels? He basically believes them, and believes the disciples saw Jesus raised, but asks the fair question, was he really dead or could he have swooned?

And I answered you.

No you didn't. You said you would believe but you hedged on serving him. That means doing anything he told his disciples to do. Will you or not?

No, I'm not dimwitted enough to be a follower.

Or, unlike the "dimwitted" disciples, your excuses are just more high-minded and less wise. And of course Jesus doesn't lack for brilliant disciples who figured that out.

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Using the bible to prove what was written in the bible is true…. Circular reasoning much?

It isn't circular reasoning at all. It's a slander/libel case. The rule is you must prove the people you are denigrating, or accusing of making up stories, did what you claim they did. The burden is on the Jesus myther, not the Christian.

Capish now?

BTW how did fishermen write similies like Shakespeare? (and better IMO)