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I need major help with my Christian Family
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RE: I need major help with my Christian Family
(February 10, 2015 at 4:18 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(February 9, 2015 at 5:23 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: So, you think children of Muslim parents are correct to believe in Islam, since their parents took care of them? That children of Hindus are correct to believe in Hinduism, since their parents took care of them? That children of Buddhists are correct to believe in Buddhism, since their parents took care of them?

Have you no regard at all for people believing the truth? Following your advice, most people in the world would believe falsehoods. This is because, no matter what one believes about religion, most other people in the world disagree. If everyone simply (mindlessly, really) believes whatever fool thing their parents believe, most people will be wrong.


I never said anything like what you are suggesting, I actually left the decision to the boy, unlike others here. I was pointing out that he needed to work it out with the ones who have always been there for him. On the other hand you only care he accepts atheism at any cost, his well being is not even a consideration for you. I was only trying to help him to see the ones who have been with him for the 14 years of his life, love him, again unlike you.

GC


It seems that the people who have been openly disparaging your honesty have been quite correct. To avoid any accusations of taking things out of context, here is what you stated, in toto:

(February 9, 2015 at 5:04 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(February 9, 2015 at 3:57 am)coolfunkDJ Wrote: Well if that is true, then I can burn in hell, honestly, according to the bible, God is a serial killer and kind of a douche, I realise this now

I'm positive the God of the Bible exists, no doubts. See you've asked these people to make decisions for you, in other words you have adopted them as parents, you really believe that is a good thing. Have they loved you these 14 years, feed you, gave you a home and all parents do for their child, have they? Does what a parent do for their child seem they would steer one in the wrong direction? Don't you believe your parents have the right to handle this, they gave you life, they've worried over you daily, their the ones that's guided you in many ways for 14 years. Tell me which one of these on this site have changed your diapers, watched over you when you were sick, fix meals for you every day and all the other caring things parents do for their children. I'm old enough to be your parents parent, I've seen things even they have not lived long enough to see and understand, so believe me when I say this, these people here couldn't care less if you wind up in hell, all they are looking for is a victory, their hatred for God blinds them. If you do not believe me read the responses that came my way from them, judge for yourself. You need to think about the love your parents and you have for each other and you might want to brows through this forum and see the relationship some of these gave up with their families, just to be an atheist. Seems to me they chose atheism over family and you know what they cry about Jesus saying He was more important than family, if they only knew what He meant. I have no other advise to give you and the decisions your's and no one else's.
Wishing you a good future with your family.

GC


The only "reasoning" you give for him to believe what his parents believe is that they raised him and took care of him. What is the purpose of things like:
  • "Does what a parent do for their child seem they would steer one in the wrong direction?"
Is that not to tell him he should believe what his parents tell him? If not, why do you have such things in your post? What is their function and purpose? Are you going to pretend that this was not an effort to get him to agree with his parents? Are you going to pretend that this was just empty verbiage, of no significance?

Following that reasoning, if his parents were Muslim, he should be a Muslim, etc. If you were honest, you would recognize this fact.


Also, I never told him to become an atheist, which should be clear to you if you read my post, in which I stated:

(February 9, 2015 at 5:23 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: ... I say, believe in accordance with the evidence. ...

Perhaps, though, you believe that the evidence is in favor of atheism? That is the only way that that could be said to encourage him to be an atheist.


It is also worth mentioning that he came here as an atheist, not as a believer. So we cannot properly accept credit for getting him to stop believing superstitious nonsense. I would happily accept credit for it if it were true that I got him to stop believing nonsense, but as it isn't true, I will not. Not everyone is as disingenuous as you are.


Also, he does not need to work it out with his parents. His views are his, not his parents. It is very likely that he and they will never agree on matters of religion. He could, if he wished, hide his views from his parents. Given what monsters some parents are, that can be the wisest course, though he must decide how to interact with his parents using his best judgement, as I do not know them and do not know what approach would give the best results. But I can say, their love for him is entirely irrelevant to the question of whether there is a god or not. So it has no place regarding the issue of what is reasonable to believe.

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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I need major help with my Christian Family - by coolfunkDJ - February 8, 2015 at 8:32 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Aoi Magi - February 8, 2015 at 8:39 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Aoi Magi - February 8, 2015 at 8:50 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Nope - February 8, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Cato - February 8, 2015 at 10:16 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by robvalue - February 8, 2015 at 10:45 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Nope - February 8, 2015 at 12:08 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by robvalue - February 8, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by robvalue - February 8, 2015 at 1:18 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Nope - February 8, 2015 at 3:04 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Nope - February 8, 2015 at 3:18 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Godschild - February 8, 2015 at 11:05 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Nope - February 8, 2015 at 11:15 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Pyrrho - February 9, 2015 at 12:54 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Aoi Magi - February 9, 2015 at 12:34 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Godschild - February 10, 2015 at 4:08 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Strider - February 10, 2015 at 4:24 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Pyrrho - February 9, 2015 at 5:23 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Godschild - February 10, 2015 at 4:18 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Pyrrho - February 10, 2015 at 4:58 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Pyrrho - February 9, 2015 at 6:40 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Godschild - February 10, 2015 at 4:27 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Strider - February 10, 2015 at 4:38 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Godschild - February 11, 2015 at 9:35 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by dyresand - February 11, 2015 at 9:37 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by KevinM1 - February 12, 2015 at 10:13 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Nope - February 10, 2015 at 11:11 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Godschild - February 10, 2015 at 5:43 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Whateverist - February 10, 2015 at 11:17 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Brakeman - February 9, 2015 at 8:41 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Dystopia - February 8, 2015 at 11:21 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Nope - February 9, 2015 at 12:19 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Spooky - February 9, 2015 at 8:56 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by robvalue - February 9, 2015 at 5:11 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Godschild - February 10, 2015 at 4:12 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by robvalue - February 10, 2015 at 5:44 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Aoi Magi - February 10, 2015 at 6:24 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Alex K - February 10, 2015 at 6:58 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Godschild - February 10, 2015 at 4:35 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Godschild - February 10, 2015 at 4:43 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Strider - February 10, 2015 at 4:58 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Alex K - February 10, 2015 at 11:13 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Alex K - February 10, 2015 at 11:16 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by robvalue - February 10, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Spooky - February 10, 2015 at 11:34 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by coolfunkDJ - February 10, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Esquilax - February 10, 2015 at 1:13 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Alex K - February 10, 2015 at 4:09 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by robvalue - February 10, 2015 at 1:37 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by dyresand - February 10, 2015 at 1:43 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by robvalue - February 10, 2015 at 1:45 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by dyresand - February 10, 2015 at 1:54 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by robvalue - February 10, 2015 at 2:02 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by dyresand - February 10, 2015 at 2:18 pm
I need major help with my Christian Family - by KUSA - February 10, 2015 at 2:07 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by robvalue - February 10, 2015 at 2:10 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 4:55 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by robvalue - February 10, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by KevinM1 - February 10, 2015 at 5:24 pm
I need major help with my Christian Family - by TubbyTubby - February 10, 2015 at 5:38 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by robvalue - February 10, 2015 at 5:47 pm
I need major help with my Christian Family - by KUSA - February 10, 2015 at 5:48 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by robvalue - February 10, 2015 at 6:14 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by dyresand - February 10, 2015 at 6:56 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Brakeman - February 11, 2015 at 7:52 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by dyresand - February 12, 2015 at 2:33 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Pyrrho - February 12, 2015 at 3:16 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by dyresand - February 12, 2015 at 3:26 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 3:10 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 3:18 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 3:29 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 3:49 am
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by robvalue - February 11, 2015 at 3:39 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Brakeman - February 11, 2015 at 9:26 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by robvalue - February 12, 2015 at 3:18 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by Pyrrho - February 12, 2015 at 3:22 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by dyresand - February 12, 2015 at 5:33 pm
RE: I need major help with my Christian Family - by dyresand - February 13, 2015 at 11:12 am

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