(February 10, 2015 at 11:11 am)Nope Wrote:(February 9, 2015 at 5:04 pm)Godschild Wrote:
Asking someone for advice or venting to them is not the same thing as seeing them as a parental figure. I see no evidence that he is looking at us as parents anyway. Teenagers and young adults are allowed to disagree with their parents.
Sure they are, I did all the time, when I matured I found out I wasted a lot of time trying to counter all they had to say, I went back and told them they were correct on most things.
GC Wrote:Don't you believe your parents have the right to handle this, they gave you life, they've worried over you daily, their the ones that's guided you in many ways for 14 years.
Quote:No, his parents don't have the right to decide whether he will believe in god or not.
I never said that nor did I allude to it, all I was doing was to try and let him know working it out with his family would be best for him and them.
Quote: Would you say the same thing about atheist parents if their child decided to join your faith? Would you tell that child that the fact that his parents have done their job means that he can't ever question their views?
Again I never said anything close to what you are suggesting. If I had a child in my former youth group that decided to become a Christian against his families wishes I would have encouraged him to work it out with them. You all need to understand I had to work with things like this and it's tougher than giving a kid ideas about how to handle his family when you know only his side. It's not being fair to him or them.
GC Wrote:Tell me which one of these on this site have changed your diapers, watched over you when you were sick, fix meals for you every day and all the other caring things parents do for their children.
Quote:Do guilt trips normally work for you? My eldest son is a Christian. Maybe I should knock on his door and say, Listen young man, I did all these wonderful things for you so stop being a theist. Except I wouldn't do that because the choice is his not mine and I didn't do the things that mothers do so that his mind would always be a slave to mine.
Good, I'm glad you have allowed him to live his life as he desires, I would bet you all had plenty of discussions and worked things out.
I never suggested that he believe as his parents do, I was suggesting he take this to his parents when he's ready and work it out with them. You have rad things into what I've said, you've become defensive for someone you do not even know, you have no idea if what this kid is saying is true, now do you.
Now, explain how my reminding him of the truth of his life is a guilt trip, those things are part of a family life and it seems to me he has forgotten that his family has always been there for him. I could have suggested plenty of things to help in there situation, but I'm an outsider with no invitation to get involved. I was trying not to by having him consider that his family has rights in his life till he becomes an adult. They love him, just as you love your son.
GC Wrote:
Quote:I do not hate a nonexistent entity anymore than I hate Voldemort.
Just because you've put God out of your life doesn't mean He doesn't exist, you can't prove that to me or yourself.
I understand what you are saying, so I'll say this, you hate the idea of the God of creation, which basically is the same thing as hating God.
GC Wrote:If you do not believe me read the responses that came my way from them, judge for yourself.
Quote:Sure, read my responses. I am normally polite but I assume that any Christian that voluntarily enters an atheist forum is here either because they love more heated debate or they want to convert the heathens.
I came here for neither, I'm here to learn and learn I have, so I'm accomplishing what I came here for. If what I've ever said here helps someone to make a decision for Christ that's great, but it's not something I need to know. You are normally polite and I appreciate the kindness, that's why we have civil conversations most of the time.
GC Wrote:
Quote:Wow.
Wow, really! I've had discussions with people here that gave up their families for their atheism, sounds and sounded then like a bad deal, sure families have problems, mostly because they do not use the love they have at their disposal, what I mean by disposal is to give that love to other family members. My family have our problems, but one thing you can bet on, we will never let those things separate us because we love each other, ours is a love described in scripture. A love that will put self behind and others first to preserve the family and the love.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.