I need major help with my Christian Family

[Mister Agenda]

What a breathtakingly dishonest and morally repugnant series of bullshittery.

Many here have stated choosing atheism has destroyed their relationship with their families, you know that has been stated here your dishonest says everything about you.

GC

Well if you're not a bald-faced liar, it should not be challenging at all to find a quote of someone here saying, essentially, "My choosing atheism destroyed my relationship with my family."

You accusing others of dishonesty is rich. Do you have an honest bone in your body? You know how many times we've told you people don't choose what to believe, they believe what they are convinced is true, yet here you are claiming that MANY here have stated CHOOSING atheism destroyed their relationship with their families.

What you have ACTUALLY seen many people here state is that their relationship with their family was destroyed because their family could not accept them being an atheist

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Just because you want to deflect by saying there's no choice doesn't make it true, you chose to be an atheist, period. Childishness is not stepping to the plate and accepting your responsibilities.

GC

Another bit of childishness is not being able to (or is it pretendig not to?) comprehend how human minds work, despite allegedly having one.

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I never said anything like what you are suggesting, I actually left the decision to the boy, unlike others here.

In what possible way could any of us not have left the choice to him? Are you so far gone to just be against anything we do or say that now you're pretending not to understand that advice intrinsically leaves the final decision to the person being advised? That the caveat 'you don't have to take my advice' is so obvious that it need not be said explicitly, especially on an internet post that no one has to read, let alone obey?

I was pointing out that he needed to work it out with the ones who have always been there for him.

No kidding, Captain Obvious.

On the other hand you only care he accepts atheism at any cost, his well being is not even a consideration for you.

He's already an atheist, brainiac, and absolutely no one here tried to talk him into that or told him he has to stay an atheist. It's remarks like this that make me wonder if you're even capable of honesty. We offered him options while you ranted about who wiped his bottom. We were worried by what might happen to him if he made a big deal about being an atheist, and you give not a single shit about that. People who wiped their kids asses have thrown them out of the house while they were still under age for being an atheist, and while it's rare even among fundamentalists, it's 100% fundamentalists that have done it.

I was only trying to help him to see the ones who have been with him for the 14 years of his life, love him, again unlike you.

GC

He knows they love him, you moron. Unlike you. That's not even the issue.

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I was only trying to get you to see that your parents love you, through all they've done for you,

And because you've let your fundamentalism destroy your normal human sensibilities, you thought he needed you to tell him that.

I haven't asked you to change your mind about your non-belief, as far as I'm concerned that's something you'll need to do, but it will effect your relationship with your family sooner or later, that you can count on.

Maybe his parents have more compassion and empathy and love for their son than you give them credit for. Some people manage to hold on to their basic humanity while still being fundamentalists, What happened to you and Drich didn't necessarily happen to them.

There's no dishonesty there, I care about families, I've seen to many destroyed over disbelief, take what I say as you want, it will never change the truth nor my determination to try and help families.

Nothing will ever change anything about you, GC, that's your problem. You've left yourself no room to learn anything if it might be at odds with what you already know, no room to grow because you think you're a perfect little bonsai tree.

What you've seen are families destroyed by their inability to love someone enough to accept them for who they are instead of who they want them to be. And because you can't understant that is the real problem, you are incapable of offering advice in such a situation that is actually helpful. And more to the point, you're incapable of understanding that fact. If this young man was wavering in his belief, no one here has done more to ensure him becoming an atheist than you. But you don't actually have that on your conscience because he was an atheist when he got her.

I believe you to be among the best recruiting tools for atheism here though, for the undecided lurkers. Undecided doubting Christian lurkers, I advise you to expose yourself to normal, mainstream Protestant denominations like Episcopelians or Lutherans before you leave your religion based on the impression of Christianity that GC gives. I don't want any wavering fundamentalist Christians convinced of atheism because of a skewed impression that nutty fundamentalism is all there is to the religion.