I need major help with my Christian Family

[Mister Agenda]

If you can understand that your family believes in this wonderful Justice coming to save everyone, then that is like how even secular humanists seek Justice and Peace universally for all people. The biggest step is forgiveness, and where people struggle to forgive differences, that's where your family 'fears' you aren't on the same page with them.

I like your sentiment, but his parents are Pentecostal and almost certainly think you're going to hell. What secular humanists think is justice and what they think is justice are very different. They think justice is anyone who doesn't agree with the tenets of their sect writhing in torment for eternity. Pentecostals are likely to worry if one of their kids want to go to a different Pentecostal church than theirs, out of fear that their teaching might not be as perfect as the church to which the rest of the family is going.

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You have rad things into what I've said, you've become defensive for someone you do not even know

You've just described of what you are the king.

I understand what you are saying.

That'll be the day.

So I'll say this, you hate the idea of the God of creation, which basically is the same thing as hating God.

And in the same breath you demonstrate that you udon't understand what he is saying. There are versions of God that are perfectly admirable. They are usually not compatible with theodicy, but they can be perfectly compatible a God of creation.

You happen to be peddling a version of God that makes him seem like a petty and heartless sadistic tyrant and more than a little creepy/overly interested in human genitals. If that God exists, he wouldn't be worth worshiping, but I would do it anyway if I really thought he was real because I have a good grasp of how bad frying alive is, even for a few seconds, and have no doubt the version of God you subscribe to would be able to keep that pain fresh for eternity. We don't hate God, we hate YOUR idea of God. Sadly, it is an all too common one. I strongly suspect that if it turns out there really is a God, it will be far more upset with the people portraying it as a monster than with the people pointing out that the portrayal is monstrous.

Try to wrap your head around the concept that your notion of 'how God really is' isn't the only one, even if you think it is the only correct one.

I came here for neither, I'm here to learn and learn I have, so I'm accomplishing what I came here for.

What's one thing you've learned here? I bet it's not anything about atheism or atheists that's actually true.

Wow, really! I've had discussions with people here that gave up their families for their atheism, sounds and sounded then like a bad deal, sure families have problems, mostly because they do not use the love they have at their disposal, what I mean by disposal is to give that love to other family members.

This is what makes it hard to believe you're actually capable of learning anything true with such a closed mind. No one gave up their family for atheism. Their family gave them up because they were atheists. The only choices an atheist has about their atheism is whether to be closeted or out. If they feel they have to remain closeted, it says more about the hostile environment that has been created for dissenters than it does about them. If they come out and are rejected by their family, that says more about their family than them.

My family have our problems, but one thing you can bet on, we will never let those things separate us because we love each other, ours is a love described in scripture. A love that will put self behind and others first to preserve the family and the love.

GC

When I try to picture a loving person, you would not make the top 4 billion. Are you some kind of Hyde and Jekyll who is a complete asshole online but turns into a decent human being face-to-face?

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Its not even..... when it comes down too it and this is the reality of it all.
Atheist/Secular humanist homes have better families and moral values than any theistic household would ever have ever period. The fact is if you look at the data secular/atheist families tend to be a happier family have stronger family ties and even jail statistics there is hardly atheists in jails.

If you broke it down, I bet Liberal Quakers, United Church of Christ, and Unitarian Universalists would have similar statistics to atheists when it comes to strong families and good life outcomes.

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On the other hand, the people who do Christian spiritual healing are able to heal even extreme cases of cancer, schizophrenia, and other ills that medicine cannot do alone.

Medicine cures cancer all the time. schizophrenia is an irreversible brain disorder, if someone cured it, then it wasn't schizophrenia. Schizophrenia can be managed, it can be treated, its symptoms can be alleviated, but it cannot be cured as yet. A well-documented case of this being accomplished would make medical history and garner global attention.

I have never seen atheists or Buddhist able to cure severe cases of demonic sickness, that only the Christian deliverance prayers seem to be able to handle and get rid of.

I am willing to concede that theists may have a home-field advantage in addressing imaginary illnesses.

The other prayers/meditations work the same on the personal level and register the same in the brain as studies show; but with the deeper spiritual sickness that causes mental and criminal illness and addictions, the Christians definitely have an advantage there that I haven't seen other systems able to match.

Have you considered that you may be biased and that in any event, your personal experiences are probably not a large enough sample size from which to draw such broad conclusions?

Those prayers are more concentrated and centralized on a level where those demonic and occult energies operate and can overpower the human mind and will where the other levels of prayer operate.

Have you considered translating that into secular terms? Because that version sounds like nonsense.

I would like to see scientific research in this area to prove the difference between dark energies of occult/sorcery/magic and the light energies of positive prayers, plus the concentrated prayers of the people who do exorcisms and deliverance that other prayers can't do.

Scientific research in this area has been hampered by the lack of any evidence above anecdotal that those 'dark energies' actually exist as anything but psychological constructs.