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Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness
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RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness
(May 26, 2015 at 11:04 am)snookerman Wrote:
(May 18, 2015 at 11:01 am)Rhythm Wrote: Minor corrections, in a purely deterministic universe......."this that and the other"(TTO™) are the product of deterministic processes.  The universe being purely physical is not a statement that guarantees this (nor "random" TTO)...and, ironically, in a "not purely physical" universe......... TTO could just as easily be deterministic or random.  There's really no sensible distinction between a physical and a physical+ universe, with regards to deterministic or random TTO.

So...no, the universe being purely physical does not lead to those people or your decisions being the result of deterministic processes.  To make that claim...you'll need a great deal more than just a physical universe.

everything I've heard about the physical world leads me to think of the motion of particles as deterministic or random... are there some other qualities?
-everything you've heard- is alot of additional stuff, though, eh?  "This is made of stuff" - that's all a physical world entails.  "This is made of stuff and here are the rules as we've observed them" - is what you require.  Determinism isn't gauranteed by simple virtue of "stuff" existing, you see?  So no, there is no "must" in either the physical or the physical +.  

Quote:so yes, I think a purely physical universe must be deterministic or random... I agree that a "physical+" universe may be deterministic or random...

so the difference I see is "must be" or "may be"
You think that a purely physical universe which follows those rules you referenced, which behaves in the manner observed, that "everything you've heard" -must be deterministic or random. It might not be prudent to saddle a claim or statement with assumptions which it cannot, -by itself- support, eh? The two propositions (physical/physical +) do not, themselves, contain enough ass end to take us to a declaration of "must" regarding determinism, random, or "else".

(I don't disagree with you at all, btw, that might be important to keep in mind. I also think that our purely physical universe behaves in a deterministic manner. Ironically even this is not enough to conclude, with any certainty, that we behave in a purely deterministic manner. What is true of the whole may not be true of the part...though I am equally uninterested in making special exemptions in our case unless we can put forward some really good observations. All of this is additonal, nothing to do with responding to the above, just going down the rabbit hole. I'm not entirely certain how you could tease a "must" out of anything you've ever heard...tbh.)
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Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by z7z - May 8, 2015 at 6:33 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Jenny A - May 8, 2015 at 11:31 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by z7z - May 8, 2015 at 8:04 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by z7z - May 8, 2015 at 10:19 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by AFTT47 - May 9, 2015 at 12:17 am
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Pyrrho - May 10, 2015 at 1:17 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Razzle - May 21, 2015 at 9:29 am
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Tonus - May 11, 2015 at 3:57 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by AFTT47 - May 10, 2015 at 7:52 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Cephus - May 11, 2015 at 2:20 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by z7z - May 10, 2015 at 9:48 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by AFTT47 - May 10, 2015 at 10:06 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Cyberman - May 11, 2015 at 10:37 am
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Dystopia - May 11, 2015 at 11:14 am
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Pyrrho - May 11, 2015 at 3:53 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Pyrrho - May 11, 2015 at 5:58 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by z7z - May 11, 2015 at 6:09 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by z7z - May 11, 2015 at 6:28 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by z7z - May 11, 2015 at 6:56 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by robvalue - May 12, 2015 at 11:09 am
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by Razzle - May 20, 2015 at 3:13 am
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by comet - May 23, 2015 at 8:56 pm
RE: Religion is a Delusion/Mental Illness - by The Grand Nudger - May 26, 2015 at 11:42 am

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