The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Chad32]

RekeishaSorry that I didn't respond yesterday I didn't see this.

So are emotions, a person's character, thoughts, understanding, and ideas not real? Science can only study the brain but it can not physically grab hold of these things and study them. Are quarks real? No one has seen them.

I have said you can look at the bible but you have refused so the only reason it is untestable is because you will not test it.

You can't physically study me at my computer right now the only way you can know what I am thinking or what I would like is by reading my written words. God wrote His words down in a book and not just that if you submit to Him and repent form your sins you could even get to know what he is like because you have Him all wrong.

What if what the people think will make them healthy, wealthy and happy will no actually do that but the president. Then he proceeds to put that in action do you think the people will see him as a good leader?

There is the study of psychology, neuroscience, and other things that have to do with the mind. We can detect electrical impulses in the brain, understand why we feel many emotions, and see their effects. These things can be studied because we have physical brains to study.  We don't have a god on hand to study, any more than we have a leprechaun. As far as quarks go, they are conencted to hadrons which can be tested.

Test the bible? Ok. Can a body of water come together in space, with no apparent means to keep it in liquid form? No. Is the moon a source of light? No. Was grass and fruit bearing plants the first forms of plant-life? No. Can two individuals created a thriving and healthy species? No. There are things we know about how stars and planets form that don't fit with the way the bible describes the origin of the world and creatures within. The best explanation you have is magic, which can't be tested.

No, I can't study you from here. We could, however, meet up at a lab sometime and probably learn more things about our bodies and ourselves than we ever knew. The great thing about science is that anyone with the proper education and resources can double check anything a scientist says. That's why education is so important. I spent twenty years submitting myself to Jesus. They were fun years, but eventually i grew into my own person like most adults do. Someone with an idea of justice that doesn't mesh with the idea of scapegoating innocent people for my own actions. Or punishing people infinitely for finite crimes.

I'm not sure I understand that last part. "What if what people think will make them healthy, wealthy, and happy will no(t) actually do that but the president." Are you trying to say if there's just one person who knows how to make everyone happy, healthy, and wealthy? There isn't. That's what councils of representatives are for. The closer you get to one person, or a small group, having all the power, the more corrupt the society gets.

I will agree with you, you can study thought with science I was wrong. The reason you can do that is because you are in control. The reason you can't study God is because you don't control Him.
You can't prove my existence outside of science unless I agree to go where you want me to go or you come to me. I would have to submit to your wants or you would have to move towards me. God has made efforts to help you understand Him but you must come to Him. Also how do you know that your science is right in proving that  exist?
By what means are you using to test the Bible?
What do you mean when you say you submitted your life to Jesus?
By what means are you saying that system is corrupt?

A level of control doesn't have much to do with studying it. As long as you can observe something in a testable way, and show others, you can study it. People have been trying to study the bible, and the only result has been thousands of different denominations of the same religion. Some of which have killed over those interpretations.

I came as far as I could. I think you said he was patiently waiting for me to submit to him, but I have to know he's real before I can submit to him. I need to know he's real in a way that I can show other people indisputably, and we need to have some talks before I can willingly start worshiping him. If I would ever do that at all.

We test everything through science. Like I said, it's the best method we have. We study the universe, and the results we've found doesn't aree with the bible.

I mean that I was a Christian. I was raised that way, though we were liberal to moderate. not Fundies.

One sign that a system is corrupt is when the few are willing to let the majority suffer I the process of making themselves powerful. The whole reason people call Yahweh evil is that people who act like him are typically horrible people. They are not good for society at large.