(October 14, 2012 at 8:17 pm)Reasonable_Jeff Wrote:(October 14, 2012 at 8:08 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: You do know, that the persons who wrote the first testament were probably aware of any prophecies in the old testament and well, probably tried to make things fit together a bit.
The Jewish idea of Messiah was that a man would rise up in popularity and military/political power and overthrow the foreign powers that were oppressing the Jewish people. If you were following a man that you believed to be Messiah, and instead of rising up and conquering the foreign powers he is arrested by them, beaten, mocked, spit on, stripped naked and crucified, you would conclude that he was not the Messiah.
It would literally require a miracle for the disciples to believe that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah. The idea of an isolated resurrection in the middle of history was completely foreign to them, the man that they had been following as Messiah was just crucified (which in Judaism would literally mean that you were cursed by God - thus not Messiah), and they were hiding for their lives locked up in a room together so that they themselves weren't crucified for following Jesus.
Only the resurrection of Jesus would have so changed them and convinced them that Jesus was in fact Messiah. Only an appearance from Jesus who had conquered death could take these cowards and change them to so boldly and fearlessly proclaim that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah and had risen from the grave.
You must think jews are pretty stupid, then. I'll bet they would have caught on when he started that turn the other cheek, shit.
Oddly, turning the other cheek seems to be what catholic clergy does particularly well!
