(October 27, 2016 at 1:02 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote:Excited Penguin Wrote:These are my own values and views. If you don't understand them, ask for clarification, don't debate them like they are purported facts instead, though. No non-sequitur is to be found in my statements, - I made no claims.
This was a non-sequitur:
(October 26, 2016 at 7:11 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: If I truly trusted this person [then] my kids would have nothing to fear from them
Regardless of if it's your opinion or that you merely think or believe it: it's not true that if you truly trust any person then therefore anyone else has nothing to fear from that person.
(October 26, 2016 at 10:03 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: No, Ham, subjective is all anyone has. In any one instance you can't both trust someone and at the same time not trust them. It's one or the other. If your trust fails in face of adversity, that's fine, but it also means you never really trusted that person implicitly to begin with.
If that person then goes ahead and violates my trust, that's another thing altogether.
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Exactly my point. It's just subjective trust. You don't know and it isn't worth the risk.
I don't care what you think it is. You seem incapable of comprehending what trust is. My kids would be my responsibility. What I would tell the rest of the world about my friend would be my choice. If I trusted my friend, then in my mind, my kids and other kids wouldn't have anything to fear from them. You can argue your point to death. I only ever made a hypothetical evaluation of character as it relates to their potential actions of a hypothetical very close friend whom I trust. I never made any claims about objective reality. We are not dealing with facts here.