RE: God's Love
June 15, 2020 at 4:25 pm
(This post was last modified: June 15, 2020 at 4:29 pm by UtilitarianDeist.)
(June 14, 2020 at 6:16 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Anyone making that claim is admitting that they would be entirely happy to rape, murder and pillage if an imaginary being was not stopping them.
God causes people to do everything. Rapists and murders are caused to be rapists and murders and non-rapists and non-murderers are caused to be non-rapists and non-murders. Everything is caused and God is the causer.
Well, everything except existence itself, that is. I mean that there is a deterministic causal chain between events and that chain and those events are just another part of God. As are we.
(June 14, 2020 at 6:20 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: He's already told us that rape, murder and pillage must be good, since it happens, and what happens can only be what gods want, and whatever gods want is good.
Some people would say that if everything is good then that's identical to nothing being good and that it's pretty much moral nihilism. So I don't understand why you would focus in on a specific subset of things that you deem to be awful. I'm talking about on an objective level. I accept that humans and society consider some things to be good and some things to be bad on the subjective level and they deem themselves to be better off with 'x, y or z'.
The way I see it is: to say that everything is good is just to say that we are in the best possible world. And if determinism is true we must be in the best possible world because if determinism is true we're in the only possible world.
Sure, it could also mean that we're in the worst possible world too. Hence my point about nihilism.
But if my views are correct then it's still objectively the case that God gets what he wants. And to me that's what good is. That's all.