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A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ?
(March 11, 2022 at 6:12 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(February 27, 2022 at 8:35 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Obviously, the intelligent design of nature is a delusion

An atheist shouldn't really talk much about delusions, you know.

Tell me, @Fake Messiah, absent a god, how do you trust your naturally evolved brain to be a reliable tool to investigate reality, and not a delusion? 

(February 27, 2022 at 8:35 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: so he defends it by quoting Hume which should be an Argument from authority logical fallacy (bc Hume was a famous philosopher) and also Quote Mining fallacy.

I just quoted Hume's eloquent presentation of the argument from design, dude, the quote wasn't meant to be a "defense".

(February 27, 2022 at 8:35 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Theist argument = (delusion+logical fallacy)^self confidence * persistence

I think you're becoming a bit obsessed of spotting fallacies. So obsessed in fact, that you're starting to imagine them.

(February 27, 2022 at 1:47 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: The problem with this argument is that god is a design and requires a designer and the theist can’t offer an explanation for how this design (god’s body) came into existence nor how the environment where he exists in came into existence without a designer, nor how the laws of physics of his environment came into existence.

Only things that begin to exist require an explanation. If the designer is eternal, we don't need to explain how He came into existence, because He didn't.

(February 27, 2022 at 1:47 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: For example, who in this modern age explain rain as something done by a god?
Look at the entire body of science and recent history. Is there any research paper that mentions the jewish god? Is there in newpaper article that talks about the jewish god doing anything?

Yes. And when they do mention God, they freak out, they blasphemed the Darwinian Religion:

https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-...ned-by-god

(February 27, 2022 at 1:47 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: I think a bottom up approach makes more sense. Things start simple, life started simple, and over time functions have been added.

None of this explains away a designer, you're just describing a mechanism.
Understanding the mechanisms of a watch doesn't explain away the watchmaker.

(February 27, 2022 at 1:47 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: If you see a person being beaten up, raped, violated.... would you just stand there and watch?

Yes, I see people on TV getting raped and killed round the clock. and... so do you?

(February 27, 2022 at 1:47 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: *God is omnibenevolent (or I wishfully think he is omnibenevolent) but he has a special mission to accomplish and that mission is blocking him from expressing his omnibenevolent nature. Don’t worry, he will express his omnibenevolence afterwards.

God already expressed his omnibenevolence when he created you and endowed you with life, health, income, shelter, and so on, and so on, and so on.. But, being the ungrateful moron that you are, you turn your back on him and complain about why people are getting raped. An eternal afterlife is enough (duh) to redress the dramatic injustice in this life, imagine a rapist getting 30 years of inhuman torture for his crime, I bet you will start to pity him despite his wrongdoing (after he got 30 years of relentless suffering) and think this is justice enough.. now imagine him getting 300 years like that, or 3000, ... Seriously, eternity is enough. And anyone arguing otherwise doesn't really understand what eternity means.

Just to be clear, are you saying we shouldn’t  punish rapists in the here-and-now because God will handle their punishment in the afterlife?

Be aware that I’m giving you the chance to explain yourself. It’s kind of important.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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RE: A "meta-argument" against all future arguments for God's existence ? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 12, 2022 at 8:21 am

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