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RE: The justice and mercy of God
December 22, 2011 at 11:37 pm
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(December 22, 2011 at 11:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: (December 22, 2011 at 9:02 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: (December 22, 2011 at 3:14 am)Godschild Wrote: Prove that Hitler and his soldiers were christians , you made the statement now give us your facts.
Already been done GC...by Min and many others on this forum...do try to keep up with the dialogue...
 or is your head exploding???
I ask you, afraid to answer.
(December 22, 2011 at 9:12 am)Zen Badger Wrote: My point being that it doesn't matter what you've done in your life. You could be the biggest murdering scum on the planet but all god cares about is that you love him. It could be Hitler, it could be anyone. Hitler is just a example of how fucked up your theology is.
Heaven by your definition could be full of rapists and serial killers. All who asked for "forgiveness" at the last moment.
You need to study the Bible those who are true believers are changed and no longer considered to be whatever their former self was. So no heaven will not be full of criminals.
Afraid to answer what exactly GC?
As for studying the bible GC THAT book is THE most singular reason for de-conversion and expanding the ranks of atheists world wide
True Believers = Ill informed uneducated fools ...or so it would seem, be they political or religious.
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RE: The justice and mercy of God
December 23, 2011 at 12:01 am
(December 22, 2011 at 11:21 am)Freedom Wrote: To keep a lie going, one must put more lies on top of it. Adherence to this religion requires you to continue to make excuses and pile lies on top of lies, to keep elaborating to the point of ridiculousness. At some point, Godschild, you've got to acknowledge that things just don't add up. You have no clue what this god's purpose is either, so you say "it's a mystery of God." What sort of god would create a game of hide-and-seek, and give you only one lifetime to get it right, or else you burn forever?
No I do not need to acknowledge that, not know or ever your being ridiculous. I'm sorry that you can not see the truth about God, that is a problem you made for yourself and can only be straightened out by you. I know the over all purpose of God, that is one of the easiest things to know about him, it's in scripture put in plain sight that is if you were to look, I'm sure you want because your not interested in truth, all you care is to feed you ego, how sad is that. I never said I did not know the purpose of God, I said that no one is privy the entire purpose of God or maybe I should say all the workings of God's purpose. God has made things very clear you just don't want to see, and one does not need a life time to get it right , all one needs is a humble moment with God.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: The justice and mercy of God
December 23, 2011 at 12:36 am
Quote:This is only my opinion, it could have been to bring world wide sympathy for the Jews so that the world would restore them once again as the nation of Israel, this is a fulfilled prophesy.
Why would your fucking god have to worry about "public opinion?" Some god you've got there. Sounds more like a third-rate politician.
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RE: The justice and mercy of God
December 23, 2011 at 12:56 am
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Sounds to me like a dictator trying to compensate for some sort of trouser area insecurity: ordering his henchmen to slaughter his followers in their thousands, all the while screaming "Now do you love me?"
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RE: The justice and mercy of God
December 23, 2011 at 1:00 am
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(December 22, 2011 at 11:20 am)Rhythm Wrote: Spiritual brinksmanship. 
Not the best of motivators, the fear of death (when it comes to morality, at least..and even less so when brinksmanship is an option). While it may come at any moment we spend a considerable amount of time not thinking about it. Many people, when contemplating their own deaths do so in the context of their last words, which could presumably be, "god, forgive all the terrible shit I didn't have a strong enough moral compass to prevent me from doing in the first place". It's legalism in place of a good life.
It's not even clear to me how one could be sinful or virtuous in the face of omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience, and omnibenevolence in the first place. All these things which you may be rewarded or punished for are already known, there is no surprise, no test. A human life becomes a cog in the wheel of a being so much greater than themselves that the very idea of punishment or reward becomes as small and petty as we would be in relation to this being. Assuming that some deity invented this notion rather than ourselves is doing a disservice to the very idea of a deity. Heaven and hell, are, to me, platitudes crafted by human beings. Fantasies meant to console those who feel wronged or poorly compensated. Something of a Janus situation in our empathy, where good deeds not rewarded must be rewarded somehow, that some good deserves eternal reward that cannot be fully achieved in a human lifetime. On the opposite end, our empathy for others (and of course our self interest) leads us to conclude that some evils are so vile that punishment should have no end. My two cents and five bucks will buy you a cup of coffee....lol. (fucking inflation screwing with language....)
The disservice of the idea of this deity, that would be your idea of what God would be or act like. God creating mankind to love and love in a way we could never completely understand has done and will continue to do his will as a deity that created man, has the complete right to do. The reason I say this is the same reasons you've given for not understanding God, omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. Tell me why should God ever have to explain himself to those he created unless it pleases him and what makes us (all of mankind) believe we have a right to have an explanation. I do agree that some make salvation a ritual and that could be why so many leave the faith, they try to be what God has told them they can not and they expect others to do the same and they become disillusioned with who God is. Christ asked us to let him live through us and he would show himself to others, yet many believe that being a witness must be their way and that they must live a life so good that it's impossible to achieve. They see others who are happy in their faith and do not understand why because, they are miserable trying to be good without allowing Christ through the Holy Spirit guide them. My two cents worth.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: The justice and mercy of God
December 23, 2011 at 1:11 am
Hey, he's your sky-daddy...you can make him do whatever you want him to do. Sort of like your own personal sock puppet.
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RE: The justice and mercy of God
December 23, 2011 at 1:23 am
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Prove that Hitler and his soldiers were christians , you made the statement now give us your facts.
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Very well.
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You need to study the Bible those who are true believers are changed and no longer considered to be whatever their former self was. So no heaven will not be full of criminals.
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I have studied the bible. The old testament, not the new.
God also does not tamper with free will, correct?
Assuming that he does not, then a criminal will be just as much of a criminal in heaven as on Earth.
(December 23, 2011 at 12:01 am)Godschild Wrote: (December 22, 2011 at 11:21 am)Freedom Wrote: To keep a lie going, one must put more lies on top of it. Adherence to this religion requires you to continue to make excuses and pile lies on top of lies, to keep elaborating to the point of ridiculousness. At some point, Godschild, you've got to acknowledge that things just don't add up. You have no clue what this god's purpose is either, so you say "it's a mystery of God." What sort of god would create a game of hide-and-seek, and give you only one lifetime to get it right, or else you burn forever?
No I do not need to acknowledge that, not know or ever your being ridiculous. I'm sorry that you can not see the truth about God, that is a problem you made for yourself and can only be straightened out by you. I know the over all purpose of God, that is one of the easiest things to know about him, it's in scripture put in plain sight that is if you were to look, I'm sure you want because your not interested in truth, all you care is to feed you ego, how sad is that. I never said I did not know the purpose of God, I said that no one is privy the entire purpose of God or maybe I should say all the workings of God's purpose. God has made things very clear you just don't want to see, and one does not need a life time to get it right , all one needs is a humble moment with God.
And, again. . . I've read all the scripture. It was a bunch of bullshit about male dominance, a male's right to own women, advocation of intolerance and murder, and a variety of other similarly disusting things. I wonder, have you ever read the old testament, or even the new testament?
Of course, whether you have or not, you're going to reply yes.
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RE: The justice and mercy of God
December 23, 2011 at 1:36 am
(December 23, 2011 at 12:01 am)Godschild Wrote: (December 22, 2011 at 11:21 am)Freedom Wrote: To keep a lie going, one must put more lies on top of it. Adherence to this religion requires you to continue to make excuses and pile lies on top of lies, to keep elaborating to the point of ridiculousness. At some point, Godschild, you've got to acknowledge that things just don't add up. You have no clue what this god's purpose is either, so you say "it's a mystery of God." What sort of god would create a game of hide-and-seek, and give you only one lifetime to get it right, or else you burn forever?
No I do not need to acknowledge that, not know or ever your being ridiculous. I'm sorry that you can not see the truth about God, that is a problem you made for yourself and can only be straightened out by you. I know the over all purpose of God, that is one of the easiest things to know about him, it's in scripture put in plain sight that is if you were to look, I'm sure you want because your not interested in truth, all you care is to feed you ego, how sad is that. I never said I did not know the purpose of God, I said that no one is privy the entire purpose of God or maybe I should say all the workings of God's purpose. God has made things very clear you just don't want to see, and one does not need a life time to get it right , all one needs is a humble moment with God.
From our "humble" position GC it is YOU who do not understand your deity, the purpose for constructing such a being, the workings of such a being (through it's followers/ adherents) nor a comprehension of time and it's effects on the human experience.
But hey... thanks for affirming my atheism mate 
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RE: The justice and mercy of God
December 23, 2011 at 1:42 am
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You can keep your two cents. It's filthy. God-as-stalker-come-torturer? If the things you post have anything to do with christ exposing himself through you, I wish he'd put his pants back on and get his dick out of my face. That's all I can see when people start arguing for the god you seem to believe in, a cosmic dick.
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RE: The justice and mercy of God
December 23, 2011 at 2:47 am
(December 23, 2011 at 12:01 am)Godschild Wrote: No I do not need to acknowledge that, not know or ever your being ridiculous. I'm sorry that you can not see the truth about God, that is a problem you made for yourself and can only be straightened out by you. I know the over all purpose of God, that is one of the easiest things to know about him, it's in scripture put in plain sight that is if you were to look, I'm sure you want because your not interested in truth, all you care is to feed you ego, how sad is that. I never said I did not know the purpose of God, I said that no one is privy the entire purpose of God or maybe I should say all the workings of God's purpose. God has made things very clear you just don't want to see, and one does not need a life time to get it right , all one needs is a humble moment with God.
Everyone knows the purpose of god.
Its to establish control over man's life with lure of reward or fear of punishment in the next one.
Its to answer the questions you don't know the answer to without letting anyone on to that fact.
Its to aid people in faking reality so that they may feel that they can escape the consequences of their actions.
That is the purpose of god. For this purpose, god was invented.
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