Former Ex-Gay Activist Admits Gay People Don’t Change

[Shell B]

To clarify, kilic is not a homophobic atheist. He's a homophobic theist. I know -- that is redundant.

[passionatefool]

To clarify, kilic is not a homophobic atheist. He's a homophobic theist. I know -- that is redundant.

Ah okay, now that explains everything. and yes quite redundant!

[kılıç_mehmet]

You didn't. That is the problem.

Did I quote anything from a book to support anything that I said here?

You're right. One only needs religious bias.

I can't really call it bias, since religious books must have been inspired by something to declare that homosexuality is not a good thing.
And since you exclude God out of it, it only leaves the people who wrote those books.
In a sense, it does not really matter if it has a religious basis or not.

Yes, but why should someone have to answer for something that is harmless? That people are made uncomfortable, some people, is a moot point. If you wore a turban that might make people uncomfortable. Does that make wearing a turban wrong? Do you have to "answer to society" for it? The idea that someone should have to answer to society, and you by extension, for liking men is ludicrous. What business is it of yours, kilic?

It's my business alright when they go out, and try to normalize their abnormal behaviour in our eyes. It's my business when they go out promoting their way of life. IT's my business when they go out on such ridiculous parades, flaunting their depraved state of being.
Thankfully, the homosexuals in Turkey respect the common people as not to actually reveal themselves to them on public(except for trannies who are the bane of streets in large cities at nights).
Besides, homosexuality is as harmless as having consensual and protected sex with your sister. Truly, it does not harm me in any way if two, extremely deprived people choose to do such a thing. However, if they would go around, flaunting themselves on their incestuous behavior, asking for recognition, asking for the right to marry, and to have children(via adoption), how would I actually view those two people?
Those who decide to sleep around with their relatives, and those who decide to sleep around with their fellow men/women, are the same in my eyes. It's just that the gays are naturally inclined to do so. Socially, they're the same.
Not acceptable in public.

I've said it before, sometimes you make excellent points. Other times, you come off as a hate-filled, overly proud peacock. An ounce of tolerance would not hurt you one bit.

AS I said, I do not hate gays. I don't even hate homosexuality itself.
I just think that it should be seen as what it is. Instead, it's being glorified by some people as it were the only thing that needed our immidiate attention. People even base their political platforms on this issue in America.
This is partly due to(IMO) insecurities of homosexuals about themselves.
Not whether they're straight or gay or what the hell ever, but they know that they're different from others, from their parents, and from the well known norms of society, and constantly wage war against those norms in an attempt to legitimize their condition in the eyes of the public as "normal" whereas it actually ain't. For that reason, they choose to hold these "pride" parades, form "communities" and base their entire lives upon their homosexuality. I can't really understand why they go through all those troubles when they can just stay off public eyes, without laws to threaten them, of course, and live as they please, without getting much attention? But they constantly tell people that they should be concerned about them, and they demand special considerations as to constantly be in the eyes of the public and etc and etc.
I don't think that homosexuals deserve more tolerance from me than they already have. My limit of my tolerance is as stated. If they want to live like that, fine. I'm not going to dictate them how to live it. All I want is that they do not try to obstruct the normal order of things. And in Turkey, they manage that for the most part.
They keep to themselves, and make no damn fuss, like they do in the west.

I did not say gay parents are more loving than straight parents, but I'm saying gay parents are capable of being a loving parents, even more than a lot of straight parents. If you actually read you would know that I never even indicated that I said gays are more loving than straight so I dont know where you pulled that shit from.

You just said it again, man. Whatever, I think that if you'd ask a child who is about to be adopted if he wants to be adopted by two men, or a man and a woman, he or she will probably pick the second one. It's just in them. They never would actually deliberately pick a gay couple to live with, as a child needs both a mother and a father. That's why both a mother and a father are needed to procreate, actually, to bring forth a child.
It does not really matter, as gay couples as people like us, they are capable of loving children, however they are not really good candidates for being parents. Their union does not support the necessary needs, as it's already hard to get through life with no parents, or a single parent, I wonder how hard it is with two mums or two fathers.

You used term like "your kind" "Homos" to refer to us as if we aren't even human. I'm not going to be offended because your stupidity and ignorance isn't worthy of it. It only shows how narrow-minded and bigoted you are.

I didn't mean to offend you in any way.
I'm sure you already use words like that to refer to eachother.

And yes only a man and woman makes babies but that doesn't automatically qualified them as capable of parenting.

It actually does.
There is something called "responsibility", which is of course, being worn down as traditional familial values are ridiculed and trampled underfoot...
They are quite capable of being parents, as they had brought forth the child, even via accident(which is why people get married and set up a home first before having children), however, due to circumstances, they are perhaps not able to show enough attention to their children, or are abusive due to personal problems...But at the end, the child never grows CONFUSED about why their parents are two males or two females...
And the child never thinks about why he/she never had a mother or a father, unless they adopted the child at a later age, in which the child would probably be less acceptive towards them, and won't even perhaps see them as parents, but as people that take care of him/her, as children know that a family is supposed to consist of a mother and a father, but of course, you oppose that. You hate that, you hate the fact that's how it's supposed to be, so you try to undermine such values, in order to feel more secure.

There are all sort of guardian and parents, single male parent, single female parent, straight parents, gay parents, and the capability of being a great parents is not determined by your sexuality.

You always talk about yourself. I'm talking about the child.

So I dont see how there is really a NORMAL parents with the fact that one set of parents is completely different from the next.

So different that they could be a same-sex couple? No.

And when the child find out what kind of people we are? Are you stupid or just ignorant? Do you think we are clone that every single one of us is like the other?

Ah, so you're trying to hide what you are. You know full well what you are, and what you do. And sooner or later, the child will know. I wonder if he/she will ask him/herself, who is going to bend over this night after I go to sleep?

YOU AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU are the reason why children who has gay parents suffer

If they knew that the child would suffer, why did they adopt it in the first place? If they were so benign, they would stop using children for their quest to force themselves on the public.

because it is people like you that judge them and make their life and their parents lives a living hell.

I don't judge the child. I judge the two people who adopted that child.
Just so they can defy the public, they choose to sacrifice the lives of children. I'm not making their lives a living hell. It's them who choose to live that hell by doing that sort of stuff, knowing full well that they will draw all attention on themselves.

So I dont see why you would blame that on gays or lesbians when it is obviously a problem that isnt caused by us but by you and your "kind" of people.

And rightfully so. I already said that gays are not normal, and they cannot be a part of normal society unless they try to force their abnormal desires on the general public. And they try this by asking for the right to marry, as to feel as they belong into the institution of marriage, and once that is done, they feel like stretching the boundries little farther by asking rights to adopt children. And some while later, when some clever entrepreneurs
see that surrogacy to provide gays with children of their own blood actually provides for a lucrative business, you can be 100% sure that gays will not adopt their children anymore. They will just go on to breed them from some surrogate mother.
Maybe until that time, they may even demand special schools for their children to study in, special towns, special everything. Telling me I'm taking this too far?
Who the fuck would have thought like some 50 years back, that gays would be able to dress up like freaks and walk around the streets, showing off and demanding rights to marry and adopt children? People would probably tell me that I'm just talking trash.

The gay parade in no way represent the LGBT community.

I believe you. I believe you, because such things are unknown to my country. Even if gays decide to march, they go out like normal people.
Not like those clowns we usually see at parades.

LGBT people are in all part of lives, they are your doctor, co-worker, politicians, soldiers, friends even, half of the times you probably don't even know they are gay because they are so "normal".

And I prefer them that way. I respect people who can control themselves, and realize that they are but a minority in a society that they have to respect.

And you know what? judging us based on a few in the whole group is just plain discrimination, there is no way around it and you can call it whatever you want but the reality of it is that it is just plain discrimination. What is funny is that a large amount of LGBT doesnt even like those parade.

But it seems like a large number of people attend them. And they're done all around the world too.

I really do not need your acceptance, infact you can go around screaming your hate all you want.

You need society's acceptance. Are you going to deny that?
IF the society would decide that they do not want you around anymore, you'd be gone in a flash. You're only about as free in society as the normal people allow you to be. You better be recognizing this fact.

And you didn't just oppose gay adoption, you are pretty much opposing a whole group of people that exist everywhere around the world. People of ALL KINDS.

I do not oppose homosexuals, as long as they do know their place.
I do not oppose anyone, as long as they know their place.
I have enemies here. I know they are my enemies, but I do not attack them on sight, as long as they do not give me a reason to do so.
Same with gays. Live and let live.

It is funny how you try to put people in neat little boxes just like how theist would.

Yeah. Sure.

It just reveals your fear for the unknown. Nothing is really normal, and you will find soon that your idea of "normal" doesnt fit the majority of this world.

Oh it certainly does, seeing that the majority of the world is still breeding normally.

I honestly do not have time to deal with homophobic atheists

Okay. AS you wish.

because I deal with the same group of people, except they are theist.

So you know you can't take on everyone. That's a start.

So believe whatever you want.

That I'll do.

Give it more time when people are out of their bigot and prejudice mentality and you along with all the other homophobic atheists and theists will realize "damn i was the bad guy". Have fun.

I know that you only try to gain acceptance from the public. You stated this more than once in your posts. And you "bide your time" until you can change public opinion to further your own agenda. Seriously, why don't you create a "gay party" or something, so you can have PM's to vote for ye on things regarding the "LGBT community". But I think the liberal parties serve that purpose for now, but they're only out for your votes, nothing more.

To clarify, kilic is not a homophobic atheist. He's a homophobic theist. I know -- that is redundant.

Oh, you had me all figured out.
As I said, whatever religious beliefs I have, are not invested into worldly matters as such as this.
I share the same opinion on this matter with my atheist mother and father.

[Epimethean]

"It's my business alright when they go out, and try to normalize their abnormal behaviour in our eyes. It's my business when they go out promoting their way of life. IT's my business when they go out on such ridiculous parades, flaunting their depraved state of being."

You are making it your business-and your business practice is a bad one.

[Shell B]

Yeah, I couldn't even answer that.

[5thHorseman]

New candidate for GOP, Kilic Mehmet.

[TheDarkestOfAngels]

I thought I could argue with anyone about anything but this thread has taught me that I have nothing to say to someone who hates gay people for being gay because he intrudes upon their businesses and doesn't like what he sees.
It's as appalling as it is disgusting and I still struggle to find the words.
Oh wait. Here's some:

You are a deplorable human being, kılıç_mehmet - a type of person that can hate another human being for being who they are and calling it a disease despite it being ingrained into the very genome that makes us human. Gay humans are just as human as straight ones and they have the same capacities to love, hate, feel, and sacrifice just as much as anyone. For better or worse, they are just as human as you and I.
But to depict them as diseased or sick individuals for finding love with those of the same gender - to see them as somehow being sick or performing a 'dispicable act' for acting on that love.

Well, I think you've shown us who the real sick individual here is.

[Epimethean]

Every time I want to like the guy, he goes all dark age goatherder.

[5thHorseman]

Make sure when you talk to your voters, you hold your nose Mehmet, obviously Americans are racially impure.

[Epimethean]

Unlike the Mongol-Caucasian mix that makes up the "real" Turks," eh, 5th?