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Former Ex-Gay Activist Admits Gay People Don’t Change
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RE: Former Ex-Gay Activist Admits Gay People Don’t Change
(December 27, 2011 at 8:26 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:
(December 27, 2011 at 8:13 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Homosexual children?
Didn't know that the ages had fallen that low, but there is nothing ethically wrong there. The homosexuals who are already adults can take them if they so please, or leave it.
But I think if this homosexuality in children thing is real and can actually show itself in some manner, yes, parents who wish to do that, should do that by all means.
I personally would encourage families to do it.
Yeah. You're probably confused by my use of the word "children." I probably should have said "minors" or "offspring." Because technically, people reach the age of majority (I know it's that way in the US, and, judging by Wikipedia, it's like that in most of the developed world) at the age of 18. People tend to start feeling sexual attraction around the ages of thirteen or fourteen, while they're still legally considered minors. I have known some people who have been kicked out of their homes as a direct result of coming out to their parents.
Well, at the age of 18, they are considered no longer to be under the wings of their parents.
That's the case for my country aswell.

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#32
RE: Former Ex-Gay Activist Admits Gay People Don’t Change
It is fun to watch the dysfunctional case for Ew-genics grow.
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#33
RE: Former Ex-Gay Activist Admits Gay People Don’t Change
Maybe "turkism" is an abnormality? I suppose we'll have to leave it up to modern medicine to devise a cure for these poor people.
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#34
RE: Former Ex-Gay Activist Admits Gay People Don’t Change
(December 27, 2011 at 7:43 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
(December 26, 2011 at 7:15 pm)Faith No More Wrote: They only want to be 'cured' because they have people like you telling them they're not 'normal.' If they were just accepted for who they are, they would have no desire to change.
Well, I do accept them for who they are. Refer to my posts above.

Keep telling yourself that, but the fact that you even use the term 'cure' in relation to homosexuality says otherwise.
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#35
RE: Former Ex-Gay Activist Admits Gay People Don’t Change
Mehmet,

I think the cure we need isn't for homosexuals but for people who are ignorant. I honestly doubt there is any "cure" for homosexuality, but even if there is, I don't see how it wouldn't damage a person in some way. And the idea that parents CAN force minor to undergo this "treatment" is just as bad or even worse than parents sending their children to ex-gay programs which result in damaging them mentally and emotionally.

Homosexuals are very much capable of building a "normal and idealistic" family. Gay and lesbian couples are much more likely to adopt and give orphans a chance to loving parents and family. So homosexuals can be a very important part of society.

What society consider as a norm changes over time. Homosexual in the U.S. and many part of the world is considered a sickness or sinful is because the world is dominate by religions that are full of bullshits and hate which condemn homosexuality along with women rights or degrading minorities or people of different ethnicities. As the world change and people's view on homosexuality change, it wouldn't be a problem, a "cure" wouldn't be necessary because gay couples can be very beneficial to society.

I think the idea of "curing" homosexuals is sickening. It is like erasing a part of me. It is also very degrading and offensive to the love we have even if it is for same sex.
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#36
RE: Former Ex-Gay Activist Admits Gay People Don’t Change
(December 27, 2011 at 8:47 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Maybe "turkism" is an abnormality? I suppose we'll have to leave it up to modern medicine to devise a cure for these poor people.
Man, are you even trying?
Quote:Keep telling yourself that, but the fact that you even use the term 'cure' in relation to homosexuality says otherwise.
Really, whatever you say, man.
Quote:I think the cure we need isn't for homosexuals but for people who are ignorant. I honestly doubt there is any "cure" for homosexuality, but even if there is, I don't see how it wouldn't damage a person in some way. And the idea that parents CAN force minor to undergo this "treatment" is just as bad or even worse than parents sending their children to ex-gay programs which result in damaging them mentally and emotionally.
There is no cure for homosexuality just yet. But maybe in the future, there might be one. And ever without no possible cure in sight, we still debate it, yes?
My point is very clear.
And how can it damage a child mentally in any way if he/she turns to normal heterosexuality anyways?
It's so simple. Devising a cure isn't.
But thanks to the taboos regarding homosexuality today, like, you can't say anything negative about homosexuality, as you'll certainly be branded as a "bigot", no researchers care to investigate the causes for this abnormality, in order to devise something to reverse it's effects, or allow people to turn normal.
Quote:Homosexuals are very much capable of building a "normal and idealistic" family. Gay and lesbian couples are much more likely to adopt and give orphans a chance to loving parents and family. So homosexuals can be a very important part of society.
They are much more likely to do that, since the surrogate mother trend has not been fully exploited commercially yet.
And I'm quite concerned that in the future, many more desperate and poor women will be the vessels for some gay couple who wants a "child" on their own from a mother and we'll see whole companies being formed to accomodate the ever increasing demands of homosexuals from normal society.

I don't really care how loving homosexuals are...In whole, they are homosexuals, and any child that is adopted by them, will start wondering why he/she doesn't have normal parents like the kids at school.
And seeing how much kids imitate their parents for most of their lives, I can't really understand how the kids are expected to act normally with having two mothers or two fathers at the same time...
This is just crap..There is no world that fits into your little fantasyland..
Homosexuals are not really important to society as much more than the next person...To solve the orphan problem, you need to educate the people that create them. You need to bring about change to the conditions in which the children become orphans...Giving them to gays is nothing more to add more problems to the orphan's lives.

Quote:What society consider as a norm changes over time. Homosexual in the U.S. and many part of the world is considered a sickness or sinful is because the world is dominate by religions that are full of bullshits and hate which condemn homosexuality along with women rights or degrading minorities or people of different ethnicities. As the world change and people's view on homosexuality change, it wouldn't be a problem, a "cure" wouldn't be necessary because gay couples can be very beneficial to society.
I don't think that one needs to be religious to see that there is something wrong with homosexuality. Really. Besides, some religions are quite open to homosexuals, like hinduism, although most hindus are not very welcoming towards them either. Wonder why.
Gay couples are outcasts. They were outcasts ever since history was written, and they will be outcasts from now on. I have no idea why people have problems with accepting this fact.
Quote:I think the idea of "curing" homosexuals is sickening. It is like erasing a part of me. It is also very degrading and offensive to the love we have even if it is for same sex.
Yeah, sure. If you don't like it, don't take the cure.
Not that there is a cure yet in sight, but even if someone developed the cure, your kind would surely tear that person apart, and burn the building down. You'll ask, why don't they do it with the ex-gay camps?
Well, they know well that those actually don't help, but a cure, like drugs or hormone treatment, etc. might actually make them normal people like us, and they wouldn't be able to stand the fact that they are just people with a defect that defies the way their minds&bodies were supposed to act.


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Negative things about it? What is negative about it?

It doesn't matter how loving they are? That's nearly all that matters mate! Tones of people have parents who are odd, or only the one, or more than two, and they presumably wonder why they don't have the standard 2 like everybody else, what's your solution to that? It doesn't need a solution.

'fact'?

Defect, abnormality? No more than being left handed.



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#38
RE: Former Ex-Gay Activist Admits Gay People Don’t Change
(December 28, 2011 at 6:31 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
(December 27, 2011 at 8:47 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Maybe "turkism" is an abnormality? I suppose we'll have to leave it up to modern medicine to devise a cure for these poor people.
Man, are you even trying?
Quote:Keep telling yourself that, but the fact that you even use the term 'cure' in relation to homosexuality says otherwise.
Really, whatever you say, man.
Quote:I think the cure we need isn't for homosexuals but for people who are ignorant. I honestly doubt there is any "cure" for homosexuality, but even if there is, I don't see how it wouldn't damage a person in some way. And the idea that parents CAN force minor to undergo this "treatment" is just as bad or even worse than parents sending their children to ex-gay programs which result in damaging them mentally and emotionally.
There is no cure for homosexuality just yet. But maybe in the future, there might be one. And ever without no possible cure in sight, we still debate it, yes?
My point is very clear.
And how can it damage a child mentally in any way if he/she turns to normal heterosexuality anyways?
It's so simple. Devising a cure isn't.
But thanks to the taboos regarding homosexuality today, like, you can't say anything negative about homosexuality, as you'll certainly be branded as a "bigot", no researchers care to investigate the causes for this abnormality, in order to devise something to reverse it's effects, or allow people to turn normal.
Quote:Homosexuals are very much capable of building a "normal and idealistic" family. Gay and lesbian couples are much more likely to adopt and give orphans a chance to loving parents and family. So homosexuals can be a very important part of society.
They are much more likely to do that, since the surrogate mother trend has not been fully exploited commercially yet.
And I'm quite concerned that in the future, many more desperate and poor women will be the vessels for some gay couple who wants a "child" on their own from a mother and we'll see whole companies being formed to accomodate the ever increasing demands of homosexuals from normal society.

I don't really care how loving homosexuals are...In whole, they are homosexuals, and any child that is adopted by them, will start wondering why he/she doesn't have normal parents like the kids at school.
And seeing how much kids imitate their parents for most of their lives, I can't really understand how the kids are expected to act normally with having two mothers or two fathers at the same time...
This is just crap..There is no world that fits into your little fantasyland..
Homosexuals are not really important to society as much more than the next person...To solve the orphan problem, you need to educate the people that create them. You need to bring about change to the conditions in which the children become orphans...Giving them to gays is nothing more to add more problems to the orphan's lives.

Quote:What society consider as a norm changes over time. Homosexual in the U.S. and many part of the world is considered a sickness or sinful is because the world is dominate by religions that are full of bullshits and hate which condemn homosexuality along with women rights or degrading minorities or people of different ethnicities. As the world change and people's view on homosexuality change, it wouldn't be a problem, a "cure" wouldn't be necessary because gay couples can be very beneficial to society.
I don't think that one needs to be religious to see that there is something wrong with homosexuality. Really. Besides, some religions are quite open to homosexuals, like hinduism, although most hindus are not very welcoming towards them either. Wonder why.
Gay couples are outcasts. They were outcasts ever since history was written, and they will be outcasts from now on. I have no idea why people have problems with accepting this fact.
Quote:I think the idea of "curing" homosexuals is sickening. It is like erasing a part of me. It is also very degrading and offensive to the love we have even if it is for same sex.
Yeah, sure. If you don't like it, don't take the cure.
Not that there is a cure yet in sight, but even if someone developed the cure, your kind would surely tear that person apart, and burn the building down. You'll ask, why don't they do it with the ex-gay camps?
Well, they know well that those actually don't help, but a cure, like drugs or hormone treatment, etc. might actually make them normal people like us, and they wouldn't be able to stand the fact that they are just people with a defect that defies the way their minds&bodies were supposed to act.

"I don't really care how loving homosexuals are...In whole, they are homosexuals,"

^ that statement makes me don't even want to waste my time and effort in responding because it really reveals who you are. It is like saying "I dont care who you are as a person, you are black". but I'm just going to give it a try in attempting to educate you though I highly doubt it matters. I guess you think it is probably more suitable if a child is with a straight couple who are abusive and show no love. Love is probably one of the most important factor in parenting.


And of course any sort of cure would fucking damage the person. There are evidence that indicated the difference even in brain formation of a gay man compared to a straight man . There are researches that show the formation of the brain of a gay man resemble that more of a straight woman instead of a straight man. So any cure would mean having to alter the brain which is already developed and formed. It would be like lobotomy which was performed on WWII soldiers which really turned them into a vegetable....It was accepted as a "cure" then, but now we know how unethical, invasive, and wrong it is as it shuts down a person, turning him or her into a robot.

Your statement on surrogate mother is a slippery slope fallacy. It is probably a bias argument based on your opposition to homosexuals. I can say that your ignorance on homosexuality will result in the spreading of ignorance which result in intolerance and the increase in suicidal rate among LGBT teens and it would make more sense and probably even have more evidence in supporting it.

Homosexuals are outcast is also another stupid argument, they arent outcast because of the nature of homosexuality, but the nature of intolerance and ignorant people with fear that made them shun homosexuals. And did you just seriously wonder why religious people arent welcoming toward homosexuals? How about maybe because most of these religions, including Hinduism is something that exist thousand of years ago combined with a ton of myths and superstitioms that have very little scientific basis thus the people are just as ignorant as any other religion? I dont see how people who are still living with a dark-age mentality would understand what homosexuality is especially with the fact of how little scientific/psychological knowledge they have.

Your comment on gay parenting really express your ignorance. Gay parents wouldn't be a taboo if people doesnt make it to be, and if they wonder why or don't understand then we educate them. To start off with, orphanage children are already different with the fact that they were abandoned by their parents. But even if that is the case, gay parents wouldn't be a problem if, once again, ignorant people doesnt make a big deal out of it. Also your statement on how you wouldn't see them acting normal honestly really enrage me, a typical Christian argument almost. All major psychology associations had made it clear that there is no difference on the outcome of a child raised by gay parents as compared to straight parents. It also has no influenced on the child's sexuality, for one, I'm raised by straight parents and I can tell you almost all LGBT members were born and raised by straight parents, and they turned out gay.

Go do a quick google search, You will find that many people who were raised by gay or lesbian parents turned out perfectly fine and straight and are speaking out in support for it. Infact one good benefit for children raised by gay parents is that they probably aren't narrow-minded and hateful.
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#39
RE: Former Ex-Gay Activist Admits Gay People Don’t Change
(December 24, 2011 at 3:21 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: i like blueberry muffins.

I also think that all humans are bisexual...just some lean harder in favor of the same sex than others.

I'm not bisexual at all, so your "all humans are bisexual" thought goes out of the window. Just saying.

Also, there seems to be a lot of people frightened to say that homosexuality is not normal. Or offended if someone suggests it isn't normal. Normal is just a word, and without looking up the definition of normal, I'd say that heterosexuality is normal sexuality. Obviously.

I don't have a problem with saying something isn't normal.

The problem I see is that generally people use "normal" as a gauge to wrong or right. Something to me can be not normal, but at the same time it doesn't make it wrong.

I'd say homosexuality is not normal, but also I'd say there is nothing wrong with it.
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Blueberry Muffins because that is my girlfriend's worded signal that her anemia is getting the best of her.

My sexual orientation changes. Just this september I was more sexually attracted to men than women... now my attraction for men is mostly romantic 0.o

But then I'm a transwoman, so what does sexuality matter to me?
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