Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory

[LarissaAnn]

[Jackalope]

well i meant on the fact that in order to understand what's in the torah you must look at the culture at the time and the original hebrew word definitions

I make it a point to not offer agreement to people who dodge simple questions.

It's not a hard question, though I understand that it might be a difficult one considering the corner you've managed to paint yourself into. Perhaps without even realizing it.

[chi pan]

God's LAW for a rapist to marry his victim is not MORAL

like i said, you must take the culture into account in order to deturmine this which you have not done.

Are you telling me no Christian has EVER stolen before in history or in today's society?

quite the contrary i believe they have and i believe they knew it was wrong. though i believe there are many who see nothing wrong with it. this is the problem i'm addressing. all have sinned however how can someone do what's right when they don't know what's right?

The Crusades, The Inquisition, The Salem Witch Trials, sexual abuse of minors in Catholic churches today

there are always those who will abuse scripture for evil purposes, however if not religion it will be something else. they will use politics, play the blame card, use fear, hate... wars and such happen inevitably and there is not much we can do about it other than to convince others of what's right.

Christians don't follow their own morals very well do they?

well all you have to do to know that is look at Romans 3:23. there's a difference in sinning and not knowing the difference. yes, it's wrong to sin; however no one is perfect and no one can be perfect morally in every way.

Bill Gates is an Atheist look at how generous and giving he is without having the bible tell him to do it.

yes but he also has so much money he doesn't know what to do with it. you can give examples of how people can do good things reguardless of their religous views but i'm looking at majority.

let me do some research on the court rulings and get back to you

[Jackalope]

God's LAW for a rapist to marry his victim is not MORAL

like i said, you must take the culture into account in order to deturmine this which you have not done.

If it's god's law then it isn't a product of the culture. How could it be? Did god poll the Israelites to see what they thought before he decided what his law was going to be?

Seriously, you are arguing out of both sides of your mouth. You're either confused or intellectually dishonest.

[chi pan]

If it's god's law then it isn't a product of the culture.

as most of the passages are God speaking to the jews, yes, it is a product of culture.

[Jackalope]

If it's god's law then it isn't a product of the culture.

as most of the passages are God speaking to the jews, yes, it is a product of culture.

Ah. So you are confused.

I will say this - you're the first theist I am aware of that claimed that god's opinion on law was swayed by cultural concerns.

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Edited to add: If this is the case, then no theist can claim that god's law is objective or absolute. And since it's an observed fact that a great many of them do in fact do so, it's pretty foolish to claim that cultural influences had anything to do with it.

Unless, of course, the law was devised by men and the little chit chat Moses had with god was fiction.

[LarissaAnn]

God's LAW for a rapist to marry his victim is not MORAL

like i said, you must take the culture into account in order to deturmine this which you have not done.

Are you telling me no Christian has EVER stolen before in history or in today's society?

quite the contrary i believe they have and i believe they knew it was wrong. though i believe there are many who see nothing wrong with it. this is the problem i'm addressing. all have sinned however how can someone do what's right when they don't know what's right?

The Crusades, The Inquisition, The Salem Witch Trials, sexual abuse of minors in Catholic churches today

there are always those who will abuse scripture for evil purposes, however if not religion it will be something else. they will use politics, play the blame card, use fear, hate... wars and such happen inevitably and there is not much we can do about it other than to convince others of what's right.

Christians don't follow their own morals very well do they?

well all you have to do to know that is look at Romans 3:23. there's a difference in sinning and not knowing the difference. yes, it's wrong to sin; however no one is perfect and no one can be perfect morally in every way.

Bill Gates is an Atheist look at how generous and giving he is without having the bible tell him to do it.

yes but he also has so much money he doesn't know what to do with it. you can give examples of how people can do good things reguardless of their religous views but i'm looking at majority.

let me do some research on the court rulings and get back to you

1. I'm an avid history fan so yes I take the culture into account, the barbaric, uncivilized culture that biblical times were...and the book containing their god who supported it. IF the bible is set for such distant times why should it be taken seriously today if it was written for the people 2000 years ago. What does God have to say about rape victims today? Does he still think they should be the wives of their rapists if not where are your sources on paper not personal observation that he has changed his mind?

2. The problem you were addressing is that without the bible people have begun to steal more in today's society...I said that Christians have had the bible for years but know it says "don't steal" didn't stop them...is that not the same thing as non believers not listening to a law. Why are Christians so much more pardonable?

3. "There are always those who will abuse scriptures for evil purpose" And THAT is proof why religion does more harm than good...MILLIONS have been killed because of religion and today look at 9/11 and in a society where we now have nuclear weapons and tell me thats religious danger is not getting worse.

4. So an Atheist is damned if he has money and damned if he gives it away to charities? Loving your neighbor as yourself played out very well there didn't it? The Catholic church sits on BILLIONS that it could donate to the poor and unfortunate all over the world...instead it has gold encrusted robes, fancy palaces, Mercedes Pope-mobiles, etc. etc.

You still didn't answer my question. If making gay illegal is not intolerance as you say [I quote: it's not intolerant in the same way it's not intolerant that bestiality, polygamy, and necrofilia is illegal] then what do you think the fitting punishment should be? For people who've never done any personal harm to you at all. Do you agree with your bible that they should be executed?

[Jackalope]

The Catholic church sits on BILLIONS that it could donate to the poor and unfortunate all over the world.

Yeah, they're saving it for future child sex abuse settlements, I'm sure.

[Barre]

you look way too hard at this, not everything is symbolic in the bible. here's some things- God said not to eat from the tree at all, not to wait till the proper moment. the snake represents a deciever, which is how calling someone a snake originated. eve got pregnant too early? adam had his first son at the age of 130. his name was Seth. i don't understand if your asking a question or just saying what's on your mind

However did you arrive at the conclusion that I think "everything in the Bible is symbolic?"

[Jackalope]

However did you arrive at the conclusion that I think "everything in the Bible is symbolic?"

Based on his other dubious contributions here, I'm thinking he's pretty much making things up as he goes along.