Islam true religion?

[Minimalist]

Okay, firstly we share NO similaries with Christians. They have a illogical belief that says 1 add 1 add 1 is 3. Our views of Jesus (Peace be upon him) is historically reliable and rational. Who cares if they come centuries later? Atleast their authentic and they have biographies of the writers unlike the gospels who are written by unknown men who never ate, slept or met Jesus (Peace be upon him).

They are made up shit - just like the xtian accounts of their godboy. No one alive at the time of your pedophile prophet ( FHUTA ) noticed him or mentioned him. In this, he is very much like ole jesus.

Why do you think many Theists reference his work?

Because they are idiots who are incapable of rational thought. You know the type. If not, look in a mirror.

[Darwinian]

Another thing, I laugh so hard that all of you are saying that Islam makes no sense. Why? Because you all believe in that the world just began magically and the world magically rearranged it self for no reason into self-replicating bits which turned into dinosaurs. Another thing I laugh about is that you actually believe that we were all once apes. According to the Holy Quran, which is backed by evidence according to the links I provided, Evolution is false. Just doesn't make sense. Do you really think that something exploded for no reason and it was by chance that the world was created? Think about it, if there is creation then there must be a creator.

I thought that you were saying that one of the reasons that we should take islam so seriously was because of the support it had in the scientific community?

Well, surely you have now just contradicted yourself haven't you because based upon what you have just said you have rubbished all evolutionary biologists, paleontologists, geologists, cosmologists, physicists, astronomers, biologists, anthropologists, paleopathologists, paleobotonists, in fact any credible scientist who takes their work seriously and is dedicated to the scientific method.

You ask us to 'think about it', well you see, that is precisely what we have done which is why we have come to the conclusions that we have, whereas the only thinking you seem to have done is to try and argue (badly) in favour of your ideology without actually considering that you might be wrong.

Who is laughing now?

I probably would laugh at your beliefs if they weren't so depressingly sad

[Of_Tomato]

He got 18 pages. This surely must be enough?

[Phil]

? Because you all believe in that the world just began magically and the world magically rearranged it self for no reason into self-replicating bits which turned into dinosaurs.

So now you throw logic out the window. Tell me Musa, what according to you was going on for the 540 something million years before multicellular life formed since life originated much earlier than that?

Another thing I laugh about is that you actually believe that we were all once apes. According to the Holy Quran, which is backed by evidence according to the links I provided, Evolution is false. Just doesn't make sense. Do you really think that something exploded for no reason and it was by chance that the world was created?

Biological evolution exploded? You seem to be confusing the big bang with biological evolution. that is a mistake I am sure either you or the idiot Muslim apologist you read this from (probably the South African liar Ahmed Deedat) made on purpose.

[Zakir_250]

Yes but what do you think of the prophecies that the Holy Prophet fullfilled?

E.g. and I quote from an Islamic website.

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"Preceding the Battle of Badr, the first and decisive confrontation with pagan Meccans in the second year of migration from Mecca in 623 CE, Prophet Muhammad foretold the precise spot every pagan Meccan soldier would fall. Those who witnessed the battle saw the prophecy come true with their own eyes.[2]

(2) Prophet Muhammad prophesized the Battle of the Confederates (al-Ahzab) would be the last invasion the tribe of Quraish (the pagan Meccans) would launch against the Muslims. It was fought in the fifth year of migration, 626 CE and was the last military conflict between the two sides. All Meccans embraced Islam after a few years.[3]

(3) The Prophet informed his daughter, Fatima, that she would be the first member of his family to die after him. There are two prophecies in one: Fatima will outlive her father; Fatima will be the first member of his household to die after him. Both were fulfilled.[4]

(4) The Prophet Muhammad prophesized Jerusalem would be conquered after his death.[5] The prophecy was fulfilled when, according to Encyclopedia Britannica: “In 638 the Muslim Caliph, Umar I, entered Jerusalem.”[6]

(5) The Prophet Muhammad prophesized the conquest of Persia.[7] It was conquered by Umar’s commander, Sa’ad bin Abi Waqqas. In the words of Encyclopedia Britannica:

“…raids into Sasanian territory were quickly taken up by Muhammad’s Caliphs, or deputies, at Medina - Abu Bakr and Umar ibn al-Khattab… an Arab victory at Al-Qadisiyyah in 636/637 was followed by the sack of the Sasanian winter capital at Ctesiphon on the Tigris. The Battle of Nahavand in 642 completed the Sasanids’ vanquishment.”[8]

(6) The Prophet Muhammad prophesized the conquest of Egypt.[9] In the words of Encyclopedia Britannica:

“Amr… undertook the invasion in 639 with a small army of some 4,000 men (later reinforced). With what seems astonishing speed the Byzantine forces were routed and had withdrawn from Egypt by 642… Various explanations have been given for the speed with which the conquest was achieved.”[10]

(7) The Prophet foretold confrontation with the Turks.[11] The first conflict took place in the caliphate of Umar in 22 AH.[12]

(8) The Prophet foretold the first maritime battle to be undertaken by Muslims would be witnessed by Umm Haram, the first woman to participate in a naval expedition. He also prophesied the first assault on Constantinople.[13]

The first maritime battle in Muslim history was in 28 AH in the rule of Mu’awiya. It was witnessed by Umm Haram as foretold by Prophet Muhammad, and Yazid ibn Mu’awiya led the first attack on Constantinople in 52 AH.[14]

(9) The prophecy that Rome, Persia, and Yemen will be conquered was made during the Battle of Confederates in 626 CE,[15] under extreme circumstances, as is described by the Quran:

“[Remember] when they came at you from above you and from below you, and when eyes shifted [in fear], and hearts reached the throats and you assumed about God [various] assumptions. There, the believers were tested and shaken with a severe shaking. And [remember] when the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is disease said, ‘God and His Messenger did not promise us except delusion.’” (Quran 33:10-12)

(10) Prophet Muhammad prophesized an imposter claiming to speak in the name of God would be killed at the hands of a righteous man in Muhammad’s lifetime.[16] Al-Aswad al-Ansi, an imposter prophet in Yemen, was killed in the Prophet’s lifetime by Fayruz al-Daylami."

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Now please please tell me how can a Normal man predict all of these?

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There is also propecies of Muhammad (S.A.W) in the Quran. These are taken from an Islamic site. SInce you all hate links, I have decided to put it here. I got these all from this site: http://www.Islamreligion.com = Please go there for more evidence of Islam.

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Muslims were subject to severe persecution in Mecca at the hand of pagans. At one time they were boycotted for three years, and the perpetual shortage of food sometimes bordered on famine.[3] Any talk of victory was unimaginable. Despite all odds, God prophesized in Mecca:

“[The pagans’] assembly will be defeated, and they shall turn their backs [in flight]!.” (Quran 54:45)

The Arabic verb yuhzamu is preceded by sa (an Arabic prefix denoting the future tense), making it a distinct prophecy awaiting fulfillment in future. And so it was in the holy month of Ramadan, two years after the Prophet’s migration from Mecca to Medina that the Meccans were defeated in the Battle of Badr and forced to retreat.[4] Umar, the second caliph of the Muslims after the Prophet, used to say that they did not know how the Quranic prophecy would be fulfilled until they themselves witnessed it coming true at the famous battle of Badr! (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
The Quranic Prophecy; ‘Believers Will Get Political Authority’

Despite severe oppression at the hands of Meccans, Muslims were given good news from God:

“God has promised those who have believed among you and done righteous deeds that He will surely grant them succession [to authority] upon the earth just as He granted it to those before them and that He will surely establish [therein] their religion which He has preferred for them and that He will surely substitute for them, after their fear, security, [for] they worship Me, not associating anything with Me. But whoever disbelieves after that - then those are the defiantly disobedient.” (Quran 24:55)

How such a promise from Almighty God would be fulfilled to the oppressed, brutalized Muslims in Mecca was impossible to imagine at the time it was made. It was fulfilled, nevertheless. Indeed, God made Muslims secure and gave them political sway in a matter of years.

“And Our word [decree] has already preceded for Our slaves, the messengers, [that] indeed, they would be those given victory.” (Quran 37:171-172)

At first, the Muslims established their own state, by the invitation of the people of Medina, when God commanded they migrate there from Mecca. Then, within the lifetime of the Prophet, that state expanded to hold sway over the whole of the Arabian Peninsula, from the Gulf of Aqaba and the Arabian Gulf to the Arabian Sea in the south, including the place from whence the Muslims had been driven out (Mecca itself). This decree was ongoing, for the expansion of the Muslim political and religious dominion did not stop at the Arabian Peninsula. History gives a living testimony that the Muslims addressed by these verses ruled the lands of the former Persian and Roman empires, an expansion that amazed and won admiration of world historians. In the words of Encyclopedia Britannica:

“Within 12 years after Muhammad’s death, the armies of Islam took possession of Syria, Iraq, Persia, Armenia, Egypt, and Cyrenaica (in modern Libya).”[5]
The Quran’s Prophecy Regarding the Hypocrites and the Tribe of Banu Nadhir

God says in the Quran:

“Surely, if they are expelled, never will they (hypocrites) go out with them, and if they are attacked, they will never help them. And if they do help them, they (hypocrites) will turn their backs, so they will not be victorious.” (Quran 59:12)

Pickthall

(For) indeed if they are driven out they go not out with them, and indeed if they are attacked they help them not, and indeed if they had helped them they would have turned and fled, and then they would not have been victorious.

“Have you not observed how those who are hypocrites, tell their brothers (i.e. associates) among the People of the Scripture who disbelieved, ‘If you are expelled, we will surely also leave with you, and we will never anyone against you; and if you are attacked (i.e. by the Muslim militia), we will surely aid you.’ But God bears witness that they are liars. If they (i.e. the Jews) are expelled, they (i.e. the hypocrites) will not leave with them, and if they are fought, they will not aid them. And [even] if they were to aid them, they will surely turn their backs; then they will not be aided.” (Quran 59:11-12)

The prophecy was fulfilled when the Banu Nadhir were expelled in August 625 CE from Medina; the hypocrites did not accompany them or come to their aid.[6]
The Quranic Prophecies concerning Future Confrontations

“They will not harm you except for [some] annoyance. And if they fight you, they will show you their backs (i.e., flee); then they will not be aided.” (Quran 3:111)

“And if those (Meccans) who disbelieve were to fight you, they would certainly turn their backs (i.e., flee). Then they would not find a protector or a helper.” (Quran 48:22)

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Historically, after these verses were revealed, the unbelievers in the Arabian Peninsula were never able to withstand the Muslims again

[Whateverist]

How can a 'normal' man accept on faith that unlikely claims made hundreds of years ago are historical rather than hysterical?

[Cinjin]

Now please please tell me how can a Normal man predict all of these?

Because the book isn't true and you and your countrymen are gullible.

[Doubting Thomas]

They have a illogical belief that says 1 add 1 add 1 is 3.

You're saying that 1+1+1 doesn't equal 3? You're heading for the hall of shame with this nonsense.

[Zakir_250]

They have a illogical belief that says 1 add 1 add 1 is 3.

You're saying that 1+1+1 doesn't equal 3? You're heading for the hall of shame with this nonsense.

Sorry I meant they say it equals 1. I was thinking about the true result of that addition.

[Mister Agenda]

Zakir, one way in which the Christians have misled you is in the notion that links are a form of argumentation. They don't know any better, they think appeal to authority is an argument, but it's usually a fallacy. A good argument can stand on its own merits and doesn't require that theperson making it have credentials.

Here are the arguments we have heard from you so far:

The Quran is well-written, therefore it is true. This isn't an argument, it is a non-sequitur. It could be badly-written and true or perfectly-written and false.

Scientists are converting to Islam. Appeal to authority, and anyway there's no clear trend of scientists converting to Islam. Some do, sure. Some convert to Christianity or become atheists or Buddhists or whatever, too. You haven't provided any evidence of a significant trend. If there were a significant trend, it would not establish that it is for scientific reasons or emotional ones.

A very tiny percentage of scientists who happen to be Muslim think they have evidence that the moon was once split in two, while pretty much all other scientists in the word find the notion ludicrous. You support it with a story about a king, that we have no way of knowing wasn't made-up. In all the world, no one else noted the moon being split in two.

Mohammed was a trustworthy fellow, so what he said is true. How do you know he was a trustworthy fellow? Because the Qu'ran and Hadiths say so. Who were the Hadiths written by? Muslims, who must presuppose their prophet is trustworthy. Who was the Qu'ran written by? Who knows? Pieces of it were floating all over the region until it was finally compiled into one book. Maybe it was dictated by Mohammed, maybe a portion of it was and others are interpolations. When a trustworthy fellow says he split the moon in two, I don't believe him. When he makes such an incredible claim without strong evidence to back it up, at that point it is clear that I was mistaken about him being trustworthy. He is clearly lying or delusional. Hell, if I thought the moon split in two and others didn't agree with me and natural disasters weren't happening left and right, I'd conclude that I am delusional. The fact that Mohammed can say he split the moon and rode around on a flying donkey and you still think he's trustworthy says more about you than about Mohammed.

Now here is a pro tip: instead of replying with a bunch of links, make your own argument to refute my rebuttal to your claims. Speak for yourself.