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Hamza Tzortzis
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Quote:Do athiest believe in ghost? just courious
Some might, I don't. It varies with atheists.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 2:18 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 2:15 pm)Koklanas Wrote:
(February 13, 2012 at 2:05 pm)Rhythm Wrote:
(February 13, 2012 at 1:37 pm)Koklanas Wrote: Unlike me, he could give all sorts of links as a evidence.

Don't feel bad, he couldn't either, in reality.

Do athiest believe in ghost? just courious

Depends on whether the atheist is ghosteist or aghosteist.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 2:19 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 2:15 pm)Koklanas Wrote: Do athiest believe in ghost? just courious

Atheists don't believe in god (with a number of different explanations behind why). Atheism doesn't have anything to do with ghosts. I am an atheist, I also do not believe in ghosts. It's a separate issue entirely.

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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 2:20 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 2:15 pm)genkaus Wrote:
(February 13, 2012 at 2:08 pm)Koklanas Wrote:
(February 13, 2012 at 1:57 pm)genkaus Wrote:
(February 13, 2012 at 11:11 am)Koklanas Wrote: If you dont get what you need (food , job, water, son, daughter... etc) then it means that Supreme being is saying to you 'work harder! or 'do more good deeds!', 'help the poor', 'respect your mother' etc.

I mean your dont expect to recover from any sickness of you dont take medicine. You dont expect too live long if you your self smoke, One thing leads to another!

Believe me his reward will come to you in a very mysterious way. May be ... Out of no where you may grow old until the age of 100 without stroke, or the almighty savse you from a plane crash, or you winning a lottery!...

So, you are already assuming existence of a supreme being prior to the argument from need. What is the basis of your assumption?


prior to the argument from need?
I dont quite get what you mean, can you rephrase it.

You argued that since people need justice, therefore a god must exist to provide it. But your latter argument suggests that god exists regardless of people's needs. Thus, I'm asking you to support that.

You mean those 2 arguement are contradicting? Prior argument and later argument? I need to really understand what you mean before I answer.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 2:23 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 2:20 pm)Koklanas Wrote: You mean those 2 arguement are contradicting? Prior argument and later argument? I need to really understand what you mean before I answer.

And we're back to poorly spelled broken english.



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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 2:25 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 2:19 pm)Rhythm Wrote:
(February 13, 2012 at 2:15 pm)Koklanas Wrote: Do athiest believe in ghost? just courious

Atheists don't believe in god (with a number of different explanations behind why). Atheism doesn't have anything to do with ghosts. I am an atheist, I also do not believe in ghosts. It's a separate issue entirely.

It is much easier to prove Ghost exists, since it makes itself visible sometimes. For God it is much harder and one has to use analogy and logic.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 2:26 pm (This post was last modified: February 13, 2012 at 2:26 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 13, 2012 at 12:20 pm)Koklanas Wrote: May be an evidence in the form of losing your loved one would make you change your mind. You would start saying why her? why not me? That "why" question is meant for whom? i suppose for that supreme being.

Wow, completely missed this one......that's pretty dark amigo... I'd be throwing my whys into the wind, even though there's no one listening. What I like to do, is wait for a train to come by, and then scream into the clatter of the tracks so that my kids don't hear me..lol.

I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 2:28 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 2:23 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(February 13, 2012 at 2:20 pm)Koklanas Wrote: You mean those 2 arguement are contradicting? Prior argument and later argument? I need to really understand what you mean before I answer.

And we're back to poorly spelled broken english.

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February 13, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Can I just interject at this point to buy Leo a pint of his beverage of choice for pulling the plug on our erstwhile yoyo Zakir?

Thank you. Carry on.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 2:32 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 2:20 pm)Koklanas Wrote:
(February 13, 2012 at 2:15 pm)genkaus Wrote:
(February 13, 2012 at 2:08 pm)Koklanas Wrote:
(February 13, 2012 at 1:57 pm)genkaus Wrote:
(February 13, 2012 at 11:11 am)Koklanas Wrote: If you dont get what you need (food , job, water, son, daughter... etc) then it means that Supreme being is saying to you 'work harder! or 'do more good deeds!', 'help the poor', 'respect your mother' etc.

I mean your dont expect to recover from any sickness of you dont take medicine. You dont expect too live long if you your self smoke, One thing leads to another!

Believe me his reward will come to you in a very mysterious way. May be ... Out of no where you may grow old until the age of 100 without stroke, or the almighty savse you from a plane crash, or you winning a lottery!...

So, you are already assuming existence of a supreme being prior to the argument from need. What is the basis of your assumption?


prior to the argument from need?
I dont quite get what you mean, can you rephrase it.

You argued that since people need justice, therefore a god must exist to provide it. But your latter argument suggests that god exists regardless of people's needs. Thus, I'm asking you to support that.

You mean those 2 arguement are contradicting? Prior argument and later argument? I need to really understand what you mean before I answer.

The latter negates the former. If god exists regardless of people's needs, the people's needs cannot be the reason for god's existence.
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