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Bible contradictions?
#21
RE: Bible contradictions?
Aaaah, I love Chipan. Wednesday night entertainment at it's best.
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#22
RE: Bible contradictions?
If the bible is twisted round any further we will see a glitch in the matrix.

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#23
RE: Bible contradictions?
(March 7, 2012 at 4:01 pm)picto90 Wrote:
(March 7, 2012 at 3:27 pm)chipan Wrote: Deuteronomy says not to listen to false teachings, even if they are from a family member. Specifically for Israel at the time. 2 Corinthians says don't marry an unbeliever. Your animal sacrifice passage in lavidicus is not relavent. Like I said, the site I provided was specifically made to counter contradictions like these. The site I provided answers "contradictions" from 2 books.

As I said, have a read through, there are thousands of contradictions listed on the link I gave you.

You're not giving me answers to the contradictions, you're simply choosing to interpret it in a different way. The bible is so open to interpretation it could mean just about anything, you're just choosing the meaning that suits you.

Not even half a thousand. I posted 143 questions and answers to these questions and if that's not enough for you to consider they may just be throwing verses without reading into them you are diluted. 143 claims refuted and you can't see the pattern.
(March 7, 2012 at 4:06 pm)Minimalist Wrote: More like desperate.

There is a reason the church did not want people reading the bible. Too obviously full of holes so they do what St. Chippy is trying to do. Concoct their own interpretations and suppress any dissenting views.


Then that dickhead, Martin Luther, came along and told them to start reading the stupid thing.

Been pretty steadily downhill ever since!






Chippy, your an apologetic moron. You have no credibility whatsoever.

No that was about catholic beliefs. If it was about content of the bible Martin Luther wouldn't have been Christian. Duh!
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
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#24
RE: Bible contradictions?
So now you are an expert on catholicism, too?

Or just reading your anti-papist horseshit from the other fundie nuts?
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#25
RE: Bible contradictions?
(March 7, 2012 at 4:19 pm)Minimalist Wrote: So now you are an expert on catholicism, too?

Or just reading your anti-papist horseshit from the other fundie nuts?

I wouldn't say expert but I've read Martin Luther's 95 theses. If you read them you will know about it too.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

-4th verse of the american national anthem
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#26
RE: Bible contradictions?
You know what I've always had a problem with? They say Satan tortures nonbelievers/bad people in hell. So... wouldn't that make him an agent of god? God's sidekick? God's partner who does the dirty work? Shouldn't Christians revere Satan for that reason?

Oh they say that he's "the trickster", and he tries to lead souls away from god, but didn't god try to do that too by even putting the stupid fucking tree in the garden of eden? Hasn't god's pastime all along to be to put his creations through trials and tribulations?

You're never going to be able to convince people who aren't brainwashed that the bible doesn't contradict itself over and over again... but it's absolutely hilarious to watch you try, so please.. continue..
OH! and HAIL SATAN!
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#27
RE: Bible contradictions?
(March 7, 2012 at 4:29 pm)aleialoura Wrote: You know what I've always had a problem with? They say Satan tortures nonbelievers/bad people in hell. So... wouldn't that make him an agent of god? God's sidekick? God's partner who does the dirty work? Shouldn't Christians revere Satan for that reason?

Oh they say that he's "the trickster", and he tries to lead souls away from god, but didn't god try to do that too by even putting the stupid fucking tree in the garden of eden? Hasn't god's pastime all along to be to put his creations through trials and tribulations?

You're never going to be able to convince people who aren't brainwashed that the bible doesn't contradict itself over and over again... but it's absolutely hilarious to watch you try, so please.. continue..
OH! and HAIL SATAN!

Satan doesn't torture anyone. He only convinces people to disobey God. Where did you hear he tortures?
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

-4th verse of the american national anthem
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#28
RE: Bible contradictions?
Quote:chipan Wrote:
Many say here the bible is full of hundreds of contradictions. Well, this statement is false and not even plausable. If it had so many they would have been caught hundreds of years ago by those why study and memorize the bible and try to understand it.

FAIL!

People believe all kinds of crazy things when it comes to religion. The human mind is capable of rationalizing the absurd. Further, most Christians don't actually read the Bible.

Quote:Chapter one is a general picture of everything that was made and when it was made. Chapter 2 is detail of the sixth day.

FAIL!

Did Yahweh make the sun on day 1 or day 4. Christians will say day 4, after making the earth and plants (!) but how did we have "days" "evenings" and "mornings" then? The sun rather defines the whole concept of day, night, evening and morning.

Did Yahweh make the stars on day 4 or after the earth was created on day 2? See Job 38:4-7.

Quote:Job 38:4-7 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? ... When the morning stars sang together.

Did Yahweh make man and woman at the same time (1:27) or first man and later woman (2:22)?

Quote:It says he made man and if you actually read, you will see verse 8 of chapter 2. It says he planted Eden after man. The earth was filled with trees, but he made some more for his garden for man. Then in verse 19 where he makes animals, he is simply creating animals for his garden. There are already animals around the world, but the garden is new and empty so he filled it with animals. No contradiction.

FAIL! Note the words "every":

Quote:Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food;

2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

But of course Yahweh formed the birds out of the water (not the ground) on day 5

Quote:Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
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#29
RE: Bible contradictions?
(March 7, 2012 at 2:37 pm)Voltair Wrote: In short I believe that the Bible has a major contradiction with the portrayal of God:

1. God is all loving yet seeks what he wants aka his own glory/praise and worship. He also is willing to create/setup a situation where many suffer so he can enjoy the good pleasurable company of a few of his chosen.

2. God is prone to outbursts and mass killings + the orderings of genocides in the Old Testament. Yet this God is also seen as all loving?

3. God wants no man to perish/go to Hell but is ultimately responsible for the system that causes this. God being all knowing/all powerful makes it unnecessary for the sin/Hell system to exist.

4. I didn't mention this earlier but, God in a sense sacrificed himself to satisfy his OWN wrath that he CHOSE to have. Why did he have to sacrifice to himself? That seems quite illogical, he could have made the decision himself. Again saying that it is just that there is sacrifice doesn't really make sense because you would have to prove that this is intrinsically true.

These are great questions. We cannot completely understand all that God does; that would be like trying to guess the end of a 3 part play while stuck in part 2. Here's my best:

1. People make this objection on the usually-correct premise that no one deserves worship. That's true for humans, but God is no flawed person. He deserves glory not just because he made us but because he loves us unconditionally. We find it hard to worship imperfect people, but remember when you had your first girlfriend/boyfriend? You thought they were perfect and you worshiped them for it. Now imagine if you knew God was perfect and owed him your life. When someone loves you, you want to love them back. Jesus showed his love when he washed his disciples feet, as a servant would do. Then he died for us. God made us with us in mind, not just himself. We get to live in eternal happiness if we choose to. Why are we here at all? God hasn't revealed the full reason yet. But if we understand this is the only way he could have created us (see 3.), and if we know the way out (John 3:16), we have enough to go on.

2. God made their lives, he can take them away. Jesus had to come into Israel in order to live and die for everyone's sins. The people who perished still get their choice of eternal life or eternal agony (far longer than 60 years), and they wouldn't have without Jesus.

3. Create your own utopian world. What freedoms would you give it inhabitants? Would you let them lie around all day and pluck fruit off the grass? Say one wants a better part of the grass with more food. Would you let him murder another, or would you put a barrier between them? Would you let them lie or steal? Every time they lie and steal, resentment grows until they all hate each other and aren't happy at all. The only way to prevent this is to cut parts in their brains that would allow them to think of such actions. Every time you make the world more perfect you have to take away a freedom. Sin was inevitable in Eden. Satan tempted Eve's free-thinking selfish side. If he didn't do it then, a greedy thought would have occurred to her later. Jesus said, "The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak," meaning our humanity cripples us. Jesus told the disciples not to fall asleep but their own bodies tempted them to anyway. That's why we are more susceptible to sin than God, even though it has always been around. Good and evil are intrinsic. You can't eliminate one without destroying all critical thought. Sin is an psychological option, not a natural force. Its potential has existed as long as God has, which is forever.

4. For us to truly love him, we needed free will. A robot programmed to obey does not love. God was willing to create us anyway, knowing he would have to sacrifice himself for his creation to live eternity with him.
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#30
RE: Bible contradictions?
(March 7, 2012 at 4:39 pm)chipan Wrote: Satan doesn't torture anyone. He only convinces people to disobey God. Where did you hear he tortures?

Who runs hell, then? God?

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