Old Testament & Christian Morality

[Drich]

I have been following this thread and became curious about a related topic. Sincere request: Could someone point me to a good thread that discusses various atheistic foundations for ethics and morality?

Since morality is decided by society and the basic human willingness to treat others how we'd like to be treated ourselves, there are no dictated foundations. Maybe it can be explained scientifically, but I don't need to question whether or not we should stone homosexuals and rape victims, or enslave fellow humans, and that should speak for itself.

Also just wanted to say: Thanks to everyone for responding to this topic, plenty of great insights and the one from the Christian on page one pretty much confirmed what I was thinking. Cherrypicking the good from the bad. "The basic guidelines from the OT still stand, but the mean laws don't."

actually "mean laws" still do apply, we are just in violation of them all of the time. That is why we need redemption rather than to seek righteousness through our deeds.

[BeeDeePee]

What justifies Christians to disregard the Old Testament?

Christians do not respect the old testament law, because it was just a shadow of what was to come. So, it wasn't the perfect law. Old testament contains a lot of things that are clearly human, and has nothing to do with God's will.
That's why I don't believe that those commandments were given by God.

If Jesus absolved the laws commanded to the Israelites and replaced them with faith, and no real laws were handed down in the New Testament, where do these moderate Christians get their so called Objective Morality from?

Firstly, who says that Jesus didn't give us the low what we should perform?
What about the two commandments of love?
Secondly, you don't need Jesus to know that killing is bad, because morality is also a product of evolution.

[Minimalist]

you do understand there is not a word for daughter in law correct? and because Marry was married to Joseph she belong to the House of Joseph. This means his name supersedes hers on all legal documents Like for instance.. I don't know: Genealogies. Plus we know who Mary's father was, and He did not co-father Joseph.

How do you continue to breathe when you are up to your eyebrows in horseshit?

That is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever seen a fundie write...and I've seen some fucking beauts.

This is all made up shit. Mark, the first version of the bullshit story, did not even address your godboy's "birth." When Matthew and Luke ( obviously names which were attached later but let's use them for the sake of convention) came along later the miraculous birth stories had already started. One has Joseph and Mary living in Bethlehem while the other starts them in "Nazareth" and has them travel to another country to participate in a fucking non-existent census which did not concern them in the least.

One has them go back to Nazareth the other has them go to Egypt. These are different fucking stories which no amount of xtian babble can reconcile.

Do you understand? They are BULLSHIT.

[Faith No More]

actually "mean laws" still do apply, we are just in violation of them all of the time.

So, how come Christians work so hard to demonize and demoralize homosexuals, but I never see them picketing outside a Red Lobster to get it closed?

That is why we need redemption rather than to seek righteousness through our deeds.

Pretty convenient for you, isn't it? You can just sit on your ass and telepathically tell your god you love him and that gets you to heaven, but a hard working, humanist atheist that lives his whole life as a humanitarian for many great causes is damned to hell. That's why if your god was real I still wouldn't worship his malevolent ass.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Christians do not respect the old testament law

Actually,they kind of do,when it suits them. Perhaps the most well known example is in Leviticus:.

18:22 Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

It's also odd that Christians actually ignore most of the 613 commandments (mitzvot) which make up Mosaic Law.


I say odd,because Jesus specifically admonished his followers to keep the law

Matthew 5 :17-19.

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.