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Arguments Against Miracles
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Also, I was disturbed by his rationalization about the laws of thermodynamics... He made the argument that the law states that in any process, the total energy of the universe remains the same. This is the law that states that states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. However, he somehow made the logical jump to assume that the universe is not a closed system, and that, therefore, god can interfere and manipulate various elements of the universe without violating any of the natural laws because he is outside of the system. This to me makes no sense, but how you you create a cogent argument that shows to a person who believes this that it just isn't a rational argument?
 RE: Arguments Against Miracles
March 24, 2012 at 5:07 pm
(This post was last modified: March 24, 2012 at 5:07 pm by Cyberman.)
(March 24, 2012 at 4:55 pm)Christian Wrote: I believe that miracles were common during the biblical time. Well, that's what my Pastor told me. Miracles do still happen, but not so often. Could be men is so sinful now that miracles now only happen to the righteous. Ooh, ooh... this looks like one of those rare opportunities for me to promote my blog! I actually touched on this to some extent back in 2010: http://keplersdream.wordpress.com/2010/0...sed-to-be/
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 (March 24, 2012 at 4:55 pm)Christian Wrote: I believe that miracles were common during the biblical time. Well, that's what my Pastor told me. Miracles do still happen, but not so often. Could be men is so sinful now that miracles now only happen to the righteous. Wait. As opposed to the time when men were so sinful god drowned the entire earth? According to the bible stories men were plenty "sinful" back then too. The reason accounts of miracles are less common now is because we understand how the world actually works so don't misinterpret natural phenomena and also people aren't as gullible and superstitious. Well most.
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"All thinking men are atheists." -Ernest Hemmingway "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." -Voltaire  Quote:"The thrust of my talk was to suggest that miracles cannot be a priori ruled out as somehow unscientific or violating the laws of nature. Yes. They can. The gullibility of humans - still evident today - was even more pronounced back then. http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/r...kooks.html Quote:We all have read the tales told of Jesus in the Gospels, but few people really have a good idea of their context. Yet it is quite enlightening to examine them against the background of the time and place in which they were written, and my goal here is to help you do just that. There is abundant evidence that these were times replete with kooks and quacks of all varieties, from sincere lunatics to ingenious frauds, even innocent men mistaken for divine, and there was no end to the fools and loons who would follow and praise them. Placed in this context, the gospels no longer seem to be so remarkable, and this leads us to an important fact: when the Gospels were written, skeptics and informed or critical minds were a small minority. Although the gullible, the credulous, and those ready to believe or exaggerate stories of the supernatural are still abundant today, they were much more common in antiquity, and taken far more seriously.    (March 24, 2012 at 5:32 pm)Christian Wrote:(March 24, 2012 at 5:03 pm)Insanity x Wrote:(March 24, 2012 at 5:02 pm)Phil Wrote: Why not? He fucked Mary and the poor girl didn't even have an orgasm.What an asshole! Or, alternatively, it's all a load of bollocks.
My parents once told me that Pinocchio was a walking, talking, all-singin', all-dancin' marionette that turned into a real boy. If that's not a miracle, what is it?
Oh yeah - fairy tale.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
I think people make a fool of themselves to taking what their pastor said to be true as irrefutable. Where did the pastor get these ideas? From one book whose credibility is almost completely non-existant. That doesn't seem like a logical mode of inquiry to me at least...
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