On Evil

[Giff]

Understandable but, IMO, too simplistic ... some people just need killing!

Those people are usually concidered to be mad and evil. I've personally not felt the urge of killing someone have you?

[Edwardo Piet]

They are morons, sure, but why would you want to kill them just for having an ignorant opinion?

I wouldn't....

Ideally I don't want anyone to die.

I don't believe in free will so I blame no one. And prisons for me, while TRYING to keep my illogical rage in check - are just to keep very harmful people away from the public.

EvF

[dagda]

But the thing is though...there is no OBJECTIVE 'Evil' that we have evidence of....

Fine if he claims this as a SUBjective definition...but from the first post it seems to me that he believes in objective evil!

Where's the evidence for THAT? (As with God lol).

EvF

This definition of evil covers humanity ONLY. My belief in an evil pressense or otherwise is beside the point. If you are saying do I think that there is a evil force working within evil people then no. People are bad enough without any Satan-like figure lending a hand. However, I do think evil exists. What is evil is defined in my definition in previous posts.


' Understandable but, IMO, too simplistic ... some people just need killing!'


I proscribe to Gandhi's philosophy 'There are many causes I am willing to die for, but none for which I am willing to kill for'. Perhaps the world would be better if some people died, but no single person or organisation can have access to enough facts or have the objectivity to decide who 'deserves' to die. For instance, under what circumstances would you consider killing a 'good' option?

[Samson]

They are morons, sure, but why would you want to kill them just for having an ignorant opinion?

I never said I would kill them.....But I would not be losing any sleep at night if they were not alive the next day.
Some people do more harm than good in our society, and those morons do affect others by their ignorance. I guess wishful thinking is more along the lines of where I am coming from....Maybe playing in traffic on a busy day would do them some good......

[Kyuuketsuki]

They are morons, sure, but why would you want to kill them just for having an ignorant opinion?

Ooooh! Ignorant? Now THAT is entirely debatable! I don't think those fuckers are any more religious than I am!

Kyu

[leo-rcc]

They are morons, sure, but why would you want to kill them just for having an ignorant opinion?

I never said I would kill them.....But I would not be losing any sleep at night if they were not alive the next day.

Ah, so you think people on your list need to be killed but you don't kill them yourself so that makes it all right?

Some people do more harm than good in our society, and those morons do affect others by their ignorance.

Which is why I feel teaching children critical thinking skills is paramount. That way they will be far less susceptible to the Comfort's, Cameron's, Ham's and Hovind's in this world. When a well known apologist dies or worse gets killed it only feeds the theists martyr fetish and solves nothing.

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They are morons, sure, but why would you want to kill them just for having an ignorant opinion?

Ooooh! Ignorant? Now THAT is entirely debatable! I don't think those fuckers are any more religious than I am!

Kyu

There is no evidence of that either way, so I don't see how that is debatable. I certainly think Fred Phelps considers himself very religious.

[Edwardo Piet]

This definition of evil covers humanity ONLY. My belief in an evil pressense or otherwise is beside the point. If you are saying do I think that there is a evil force working within evil people then no. People are bad enough without any Satan-like figure lending a hand. However, I do think evil exists. What is evil is defined in my definition in previous posts.

I am having trouble understanding if you DO believe in OBJECTIVE evil or not though...?


Do you? Because I know of no evidence of it if that's the case....

Everyone has their own definition and there's no evidence of nothing objective is what I believe...

Do you believe in objective free will or not then?

EvF

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

I've personally not felt the urge of killing someone have you?

Yes,once.

It was 1964, I was 17. I tried to kill some bloke by hitting him with one of those big old fashioned office swivel chairs. I didn't do him any serious harm.

I was of course sacked,which helped put the hole incident into perspective. Apart from being mortified by my lack of control,it made me realise it's not to my advantage to go around trying to kill people.
I came to control my temper, by (1) Learning martial arts. (Shodokan Karate and judo) and (2) later and more importantly,committing to the life principle of ahimsa,which I interpret as 'the lack of desire to harm'. THAT'S hard. I still sometimes feel the desire to hurt another person, but have never again felt the URGE to do so.

I have never again hit another person in anger.That does not mean I can guarantee I never will.

[Samson]

Ah, so you think people on your list need to be killed but you don't kill them yourself so that makes it all right?

Your words on the "Right" part, I never stated a right or wrong...
And no, my list of people that would be better off dead, (In my opinion), would be, but I do consider myself to have some type of morals and would never do such a thing.... (You do realize the joking around before hand, right?)
But I do stand beside what I stated on, "Not loosing any sleep over them".

Which is why I feel teaching children critical thinking skills is paramount. That way they will be far less susceptible to the Comfort's, Cameron's, Ham's and Hovind's in this world. When a well known apologist dies or worse gets killed it only feeds the theists martyr fetish and solves nothing.

I teach my children just fine, and critical thinking, decision making etc is part of that learning process from which I'm handing down....

Now as far as one of their saviors passing away, it may give them fuel for their fire, but two things with that. It only last so long and (depending on who it was that passed), there are some that are truly "One of a kind" in their own little special way... When Jerry Falwell died, I almost threw a party.....

[Kyuuketsuki]

There is no evidence of that either way, so I don't see how that is debatable. I certainly think Fred Phelps considers himself very religious.

And I think he's far more concerned about the power he holds over others than his religion ... I think it's been that way throughout the ages with many powerful and "pious" people, that religion as a means to wealth, status and power is far more significant than it is as a philosophy.

Kyu