Is it moral to kill when a cure options is available?

[Minimalist]

Care to have a go?

Do you think the dickheads would listen?

[R-e-n-n-a-t]

Morality is defined by popular culture. So in truth it all depends on when and where you live. So you tell me. What does your morality tell you to do?

Morality defined by popular culture??? Then why can a single person such as Castro from Cuba rise up and decide morality for popular culture? He decided who will live and that his people couldn't leave the island. Your view of morality is illogical, but I'm sure you already knew that.

The morality of all of Cuba was not decided by Castro, its laws were. There's a difference.

I would stake my life on the claim that many Cubans don't like Socialism (or at least the messed up version of "Socialism" practiced by Castro), after all, they did attempt to rebel. Is a rebellion not proof that Castro did not decide the morality of Cuba, but merely its government? In short, morality is determined by popular culture, but laws are not in many cases. It may shock you, but laws are not always based upon morality in the real world.

[Godscreated]

Is it moral to kill when a cure options is available?

When did murder need to be classified as anything but immoral?

It is said that God can do whatever he likes. He is after all, God. He created everything and can destroy it at a whim if he chooses to do so. I do not believe this but will grant it as a truth for this O P.

You have been misinformed about God, you also have not been paying attention to what many of the christians here have stated about God. Let's start again, God can do nothing outside His nature ie. will. To do that would mean God would sin and that's not possible. He did create all things, but will not destroy anything until He has passed judgement on it, since He is creator it is His right to pass judgement. His judgement falls only on the guilty.

Given that God can kill or cure, and given that we are to emulate, follow and try to be like him; it would seem that we too are to believe that sometimes it is better to kill than cure. I cannot think of any good situation to do this but that is just me. Perhaps you can.

Killing can be presented as taking life without a purpose, God never takes life without a purpose, and yes, God can and does cure physically or spiritually.

Again you're trying to misrepresent scripture either on purpose or out of ignorance, which is it? We are to be like God by trying to be as righteous as we possibly can, God has never given us the right to take life without a person being judged guilty.

Scriptures show God killing many or having men kill many. Scriptures show God curing on a few occasions but killing seems to be his preferred method.

God has cured many that have been physically, spiritually or mentally sick, Nineveh comes to mind for a spiritual healing, Christ healed many of physical ailments. God takes the life of those He has judged guilty of sin, whether He does it directly or chooses man to do so.

Life, be it from God or nature, should be venerated. God does not seem to venerate human life even as he claims man to be his most precious and loved creation and even placing us above the angels. This indicates that he should venerate our lives yet it does not seem to.

God sacrificed His Son to save man from eternal doom, and yes, He cared for the life of His Son by raising Him from the dead. God does care for mans life, He did something you would never do for mankind. Where in scripture does it say that man is above the angels.

In our human world, if a doctor who could cure his patient decided to kill him, he would be jailed and considered an evil person. In the believer world, a God who could cure and decides to kill is considered good and praised for his killing. A double standard. I hope that we will all agree that for a human to kill, when a cure option is available, is evil and immoral. If you do not; please do not reply.

Is it moral for God to kill when a cure options is available?

Does your God need to have good morals or does it matter?

Regards
DL

The doctor should rightly be jailed for such an action, that is murder, he has no right to judge when a life should end. God does not kill the sick, they die of their illness, God has said that all will fall to death because of their sin. At some point in life everyone dies, not because God withholds a cure, we suffer death because of our sin. This is a promise God made to man and he has been faithful to that promise.
God is moral, always, because He is the standard of morality, and we all fall short of that standard, so we must die for our sin, it's the penalty for being outside of God's will. Remember you're the one who granted that God was creator for this OP.

[Anomalocaris]

Some times it is immoral to cure when "let them die" is an available option. For example when faith healers and their devoted suckers get sick.

[Greatest I am]

Great topic. I like the way you framed the question. My preliminary response, off the top of my head, is as follows: A cure, such as you propose would require God to force them to change their heart against their will. As a general rule, the biblical God, offers people the opportunity to repent prior to smiting them. The prophets lay out the choice before both individuals and entire peoples. In other words, you must first recognize that you are sick and agree to take your medicine.

The reverse precedent of God changing Pharaoh's heart from good to evil came before the flood so I do not think your argument above has any merit.

Not always, In some instances the condition of some, like the men of Sodom, is so wicked that they have already abundantly confirmed their choice. God does indeed venerate life, not just the physical but the spiritual as well, the physical being a precursor to a spiritual afterlife. God smites the wicked who have already become spiritually dead, even though they remain physically. Once people have confirmed that they will not repent no matter what and are spiritually dead, God removes the wicked so that they cannot continue harming anyone else. Because only God knows the spiritual condition of people, only God can judge and smite. (BTW I just like using the word 'smite' because I don't get to use it that often.)

Again I cannot see his hate for Gays as a justification of smiting all the children and babies of Sodom when here again, he could have just changed their minds.

He really chose the moral low ground in killing innocent children and babies that had yet to turn Gay.

Regards
DL

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Care to have a go?

Do you think the dickheads would listen?

I won't know that till I see what you can do friend. But it may give me insight on how to attack their point and slavish mentality.

Regards
DL

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Is it moral to kill when a cure options is available?

When did murder need to be classified as anything but immoral?

It is said that God can do whatever he likes. He is after all, God. He created everything and can destroy it at a whim if he chooses to do so. I do not believe this but will grant it as a truth for this O P.

You have been misinformed about God, you also have not been paying attention to what many of the christians here have stated about God. Let's start again, God can do nothing outside His nature ie. will. To do that would mean God would sin and that's not possible. He did create all things, but will not destroy anything until He has passed judgement on it, since He is creator it is His right to pass judgement. His judgement falls only on the guilty.

Given that God can kill or cure, and given that we are to emulate, follow and try to be like him; it would seem that we too are to believe that sometimes it is better to kill than cure. I cannot think of any good situation to do this but that is just me. Perhaps you can.

Killing can be presented as taking life without a purpose, God never takes life without a purpose, and yes, God can and does cure physically or spiritually.

Again you're trying to misrepresent scripture either on purpose or out of ignorance, which is it? We are to be like God by trying to be as righteous as we possibly can, God has never given us the right to take life without a person being judged guilty.

Scriptures show God killing many or having men kill many. Scriptures show God curing on a few occasions but killing seems to be his preferred method.

God has cured many that have been physically, spiritually or mentally sick, Nineveh comes to mind for a spiritual healing, Christ healed many of physical ailments. God takes the life of those He has judged guilty of sin, whether He does it directly or chooses man to do so.

Life, be it from God or nature, should be venerated. God does not seem to venerate human life even as he claims man to be his most precious and loved creation and even placing us above the angels. This indicates that he should venerate our lives yet it does not seem to.

God sacrificed His Son to save man from eternal doom, and yes, He cared for the life of His Son by raising Him from the dead. God does care for mans life, He did something you would never do for mankind. Where in scripture does it say that man is above the angels.

In our human world, if a doctor who could cure his patient decided to kill him, he would be jailed and considered an evil person. In the believer world, a God who could cure and decides to kill is considered good and praised for his killing. A double standard. I hope that we will all agree that for a human to kill, when a cure option is available, is evil and immoral. If you do not; please do not reply.

Is it moral for God to kill when a cure options is available?

Does your God need to have good morals or does it matter?

Regards
DL

The doctor should rightly be jailed for such an action, that is murder, he has no right to judge when a life should end. God does not kill the sick, they die of their illness, God has said that all will fall to death because of their sin. At some point in life everyone dies, not because God withholds a cure, we suffer death because of our sin. This is a promise God made to man and he has been faithful to that promise.
God is moral, always, because He is the standard of morality, and we all fall short of that standard, so we must die for our sin, it's the penalty for being outside of God's will. Remember you're the one who granted that God was creator for this OP.

You do not follow the usual Christian take but I do have a question or two.

God is shown as killing sinners sure but he is also shown as ordering the murder of many children and babies that could not possibly be evil or sinners.

How would you justify their death?

My second question pertains to sin itself. Let my build a scenario.
If you or I were to lie to someone and cause them to pass on that lie, we would be sinners.

If God did, would he also be culpable for or guilty of sinning?

You indicated that God has morals.

I return you to my original question.

Is it moral to kill when a cure is available?

Did God have the power to cure those at Sodom and at the genocide of Noah's day?

Regards
DL

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Some times it is immoral to cure when "let them die" is an available option. For example when faith healers and their devoted suckers get sick.

J W and blood transfusions come to mind.

Regards
DL

[Neo-Scholastic]

Again I cannot see his hate for Gays as a justification of smiting all the children and babies of Sodom when here again, he could have just changed their minds.

All it really says is that the men of Sodom were exceedingly wicked. The group of guys that wanted to ass-rape Lot's house guests were just an example.I doubt it was an all butt-sex town.

He really chose the moral low ground in killing innocent children and babies

If innocents die in the process of purging the wicked I trust that God will provide and compensate for them in the afterlife. Joel 2:25 states that "He will restore the years that the locusts have eaten."

Not that it matters to you, but Swedenborg teaches that children who die before their reason has matured are raised by angels in heaven. If that's indeed the case the children of Sodom have the best foster care available.

[Minimalist]

When did murder need to be classified as anything but immoral?

Since you clowns worship a "god" who you think killed everyone in the world except fucking "Noah."

[WhatIfGodWasJustAMyth]

Is it moral to kill when a cure options is available?

It is said that God can do whatever he likes. He is after all, God. He created everything and can destroy it at a whim if he chooses to do so. I do not believe this but will grant it as a truth for this O P.

Given that God can kill or cure, and given that we are to emulate, follow and try to be like him; it would seem that we too are to believe that sometimes it is better to kill than cure. I cannot think of any good situation to do this but that is just me. Perhaps you can.

Scriptures show God killing many or having men kill many. Scriptures show God curing on a few occasions but killing seems to be his preferred method.

Life, be it from God or nature, should be venerated. God does not seem to venerate human life even as he claims man to be his most precious and loved creation and even placing us above the angels. This indicates that he should venerate our lives yet it does not seem to.

In our human world, if a doctor who could cure his patient decided to kill him, he would be jailed and considered an evil person. In the believer world, a God who could cure and decides to kill is considered good and praised for his killing. A double standard. I hope that we will all agree that for a human to kill, when a cure option is available, is evil and immoral. If you do not; please do not reply.

Is it moral for God to kill when a cure options is available?

Does your God need to have good morals or does it matter?

Regards
DL

Thats like saying is it moral for mass murderers to kill

[Minimalist]

GIA

You need to absorb the moral of this joke.

A reporter goes to Israel to cover the fighting. She is looking for something emotional and positive and of human interest. Something like that guy in Sarajevo who risked his life to play the cello everyday in the town square.

In Jerusalem, she heard about an old Jew who had been going to the Wailing Wall to pray, twice a day, every day, for a long, long time. So she went to check it out. She goes to the Wailing Wall and there he is!

So she watches him pray and after about 45 minutes, when he turns to leave, she approaches him for an interview.

"Rebecca Smith, CNN News. Sir, how long have you been coming to the Wall and praying?"

"For about 50 years."

"What do you pray for?"

"For peace between the Jews and the Arabs. For all the hatred to stop. For our children to grow up in safety and friendship."

"How do you feel after doing this for 50 years?"

"Like I'm talking to a fucking wall."

[Neo-Scholastic]

The reverse precedent of God changing Pharaoh's heart from good to evil came before the flood so I do not think your argument above has any merit.

I really do hate to hang on the meaning of Hebrew words, but....The word that was translated in "hardened" ChZQ or Hazek, which means "to strengthen." In the example you used, God strengthened the conviction that was already in Pharaoh. Symbolically, 'Pharaoh' stands for the part of self that rules over factual knowledge. Meaning when we hold too fast to facts stored in memory, and see only what is directly in front of us, we miss out on things of deeper importance.