Is purposeless torture moral?

[The Grand Nudger]

What of he who bring you this message and does not repersent a church or even a specific denomination?

What of he who thinks his faith is original or clever when it is neither? Look, I'm exceedingly familiar with your brand of batshittery, you haven't attempted any arguments or apologetics on these forums that my father in law hasn't beaten to death trying to convert me to christianity for the last 5 years. Both of you seem to think these ideas are brilliant and fresh, both of you seem to think that I have a misunderstanding of your faith, both of you are woefully wrong. Don't you think it's just a little bit presumptuous to assume that you are the only person here who is familiar with this stuff? How likely do you think it is that you've hit upon some never before heard or seen apologetics (rhetorical, you already laid out your thoughts on this matter in a post here on these forums, you clearly think that you are a brilliant apologist)? Do you imagine yourself to be the originator of a new brand of christianity, free from the influence of this or that church, denomination, or influence? Your faith is that of the burnt over belt. It's a smattering of items from the spiritual buffet that you feel can make a strong "argument". It's a faith of redefinition, sophistry, and assertion. Again, the secular influence on traditional christianity.

If you think that the shit you've tossed out here doesn't represent specific denominations and churches then you need to handle due diligence with regards to your own beliefs. If you're imagining that you are parroting the words of christ, and that these words do not represent specific denominations and churches, again, complete lack of due diligence. Just who do you think put these words in your mouth (and in jesus' mouth)?

[Greatest I am]

[Would it be "moral" or Righteous to drag one of you who have been trying to put distance between yourselves and God all of your natural lives, into heaven for an eternity kicking and screaming? If you can not stand the thought of God for 60 or 70 years what makes you think you can tolerate His presents for an eternity?

What makes you think any good man could be happy in heaven while watching his loved ones burn in hell forever without going insane?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc

Better to shovel coal in hell than to spend eternity in heaven watching friends, neighbors and our children in torture and flame forever.
Only a sick mind would conceive of such a situation or wish it upon anyone. That is why God would not do such because then, heaven would be hell.
If those in heaven did not go insane then they could not have once been human or good.

You should contemplate on why you love to hate so much.

Regards
DL

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His *presence for an eternity can only happen if he exists to begin with. We don't spend our lives hating your god, we spend them lacking any belief that he's real. We may hate the concept of that god, due to what we see and hear from it's followers, but that is not the same thing.

+ 1

Regards
DL

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I think it may be morally justified then to try to torture the information out of him.

http://www.livescience.com/4651-torture-...rking.html

The question was not on the efficacy of torture. It was on the morality of doing it for the greater good of the million who are guaranteed to die without it.

Regards
DL

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Well, Genesis really doesn't give anyone a good moral role model to follow. The GOD depicted in the bible can best be described as a psychopath with many psychological disorders that includes a severe case of Volcanic Narcissism. :/

Well done my friend.

Regards
DL

[Godscreated]

[Minimalist]

The question was not on the efficacy of torture. It was on the morality of doing it for the greater good of the million who are guaranteed to die without it.

Then it should be because you can torture the motherfucker to death and if all you get out of it are lies then the million will still die and YOU become a torturing motherfucker yourself.

[TheJackel]

You're an absolute idiot. I'm not going to discuss this crap with you, if you want to know how I feel about hell go check my posts.

If you can sit there can rationalize genocide and infanticide ect as "righteous", what do you expect people to think of you? Did you ever seriously stop and think about this at all? You are either seriously messed up, or you didn't actually spend the time to contemplate the issue what-so-ever. I didn't write that response to attack you, I wrote to make a point that I hoped you might get..

BTW, it's not a matter of how you feel, it's a matter of what's morally right and wrong.. We didn't get how Hitler felt, but he surely wasn't at all morally righteous was he? .. Keep in mind that when you sit here trying to justify such things, it reflects on your character.

[TheJackel]

Typo fix:

If you can sit there *and* rationalize genocide and infanticide ect as "righteous"

[Cinjin]

I see the monotheistic god as having the mentality of "Piss me off and I will beat the shit out of you, forever. But if you do exactly what I say everything will be okay I'll allow you to grovel at my feet for the rest of eternity instead of turning you into a human torch.." Sounds more like a hostage situation to me.

FTFY

[Greatest I am]

The question was not on the efficacy of torture. It was on the morality of doing it for the greater good of the million who are guaranteed to die without it.

Then it should be because you can torture the motherfucker to death and if all you get out of it are lies then the million will still die and YOU become a torturing motherfucker yourself.

Better that than to do nothing.
But go ahead and watch the million die without lifting a finger. That is more moral to a fool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa6c3OTr6yA

Regards
DL

[Cinjin]

Please show me were you find the word torture in scripture, if you can not then please drop the subject, this subject has been posted to death.

Copout.

The words Trinity or Rapture are not in the scriptures either. That doesn't mean their principles are not in there.

Burning billions of souls for the rest of eternity is torture and if you don't believe me, place a flame under your kid's finger for 1 minute.

I'm so tired of your tired semantics arguments. Punishment would simply be denial into Heaven ... no no ... TORTURE is excruciating infliction of pain that never comes to an end.

Get over yourselves and just admit it.

[Reforged]

What of he who bring you this message and does not repersent a church or even a specific denomination?

If you think that the shit you've tossed out here doesn't represent specific denominations and churches then you need to handle due diligence with regards to your own beliefs. If you're imagining that you are parroting the words of christ, and that these words do not represent specific denominations and churches, again, complete lack of due diligence. Just who do you think put these words in your mouth (and in jesus' mouth)?

'Nough said