Can God love?

[Mystic]

I would say him creating life and consciousness shows itself grace and love.

[Faith No More]

Really? I think it shows sadism and apathy.

[jess_essential]

^ Yes.

[mediamogul]

This is like asking "Can a unicorn cry?" to me there are much more fundamental questions about the nature of the god hypothesis and it's intervention in worldly events. Most flavors of Christianity seem to say yes.

[simplexity]

Most Christian flavors seem to say God is "Love". What this means no-one knows even the "Christians".

[Zen Badger]

Yes he can, but only in that creepy stalker outside your bedroom window way

[Greatest I am]

The only thing I will agree with is that love is not entirely, but necessarily an action. However, no form of god has ever shown me any action referring to love. If you feel someone died for your sins, they died for YOUR sins, not mine. I regret nothing, and hold myself accountable for everything I do.

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Regards
DL

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Within a theological context the “God is Love” quote refers to an essential attribute. That attribute includes the actions of God that draw all things toward Him. As such love goes beyond both the warm and tender fondness He has for all things and the kindness and mercy He extends to His creation.

Do you have some examples of this kindness and mercy?

Regards
DL

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@ Greatest I am, as "deciple's" sig says God makes the rain fall on the just and the unjust. God shows His love equally. Also God the Father never forced Christ the Son to be a sacrifice for man, He could have turned it down, instead He being love completed what man needed for redemption. You act as if God is suppose to live up to your standards, the standards that can and will change to fit your wants. God's standards are eternally consistent, so that we know where we stand with God.

Yes. God did eternally intend to have his son needlessly murdered as a human sacrifice to fill the ransom that he himself set. That is why your God is not sane.

Regards
DL

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I would say him creating life and consciousness shows itself grace and love.

As long as that life loves, honours, worships and obeys him.
If not then that love and grace turns to hate and endless torture.

His unconditional love then comes with many conditions. Right?

Regards
DL

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Really? I think it shows sadism and apathy.

I did not agree with M K either but would need a further explanation to agree with your words.

Care to expand to make me understand how creating life is sadistic and apathetic?

No argument that what God is doing with life immoral and sadistic but the creation of it seems to me to be a good thing. I am quite pleased that natures created me and she is not sadistic or apathetic.

Regards
DL

[Mystic]

As long as that life loves, honours, worships and obeys him.
If not then that love and grace turns to hate and endless torture.

His unconditional love then comes with many conditions. Right?

I myself believe God has a compassionate type love even towards those whom are evil. As for the good people, he loves them in a more special way. And yet for the heroic gems amongst people, there is an even more special type love, and the world was set up to give opportunity for such people to shine.

[Faith No More]

I did not agree with M K either but would need a further explanation to agree with your words.

Care to expand to make me understand how creating life is sadistic and apathetic?

No argument that what God is doing with life immoral and sadistic but the creation of it seems to me to be a good thing. I am quite pleased that natures created me and she is not sadistic or apathetic.

I didn't necessarily mean that creating life is sadistic and apathetic, but one could interpret the way that life was created was sadistic and apthetic. It seems that a necessity to life is to suffer, and pain is inevtiable. Something I believe an all-loving, all-powerful god would not allow.

My overall point was really that there are two sides to this coin, and that the fact that there is beauty in life, wouldn't necessarily mean that creation was necessarily an act of love. I'm not saying that if a creator was proven to exist that the state of our existence proves that the act of creation was sadistic, it just doesn't prove that it was an act of love either.

[Mystic]

At the end, people WANT to LIVE and are HAPPY that they are ALIVE. If life was so terrible, then people wouldn't want to live neither would they want to have children. Even in poor places where people have a hard time living, people are glad to be alive.

Life itself is a huge grace. Now arguing but a loving God would not allow suffering to me is like a child way of thinking. A child loves toys not realizing that one day he will grow out of that.

Whom is to say we are not developing towards something great? Towards divinity even perhaps. At least some people maybe.

Perhaps to develop towards that, we need a worlds of sufferring, adversity, where our compassion and love is put on the spot, where patience and courage is put on the spot, where forbearance and mercy is put on the spot...

Perhaps the next life is not this utopia people imagine, but we will continue in a world of problems and adversity, to keep on pushing our moral character to develop.