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RE: Why do Athiests require 'proof' that God exists?
May 7, 2012 at 1:49 pm
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Quote:If tooth fairies don't exist (which is likely) they are ridiculous. However if God exists (which is possible) it is very relevant.
Special pleading. Fallacious argument.
Let me fix what you said....
Quote:If tooth fairies exist (which is possible) they are ridiculous. If God exists (which is possible) it is also ridiculous.
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Quote:As a member of a religious community (in which the majority are religious) it is the Atheists challenging the status quo, they must justify their beliefs to me.
Why must one justify a lack of belief? You are a theist (one who believes in god) I'm an atheist (which means without belief in god). What is there to justify?
Quote:The primary 'reason' you should believe in the possibility that God exists is that there are so many questions unanswered by science.
God of the gaps argument. Another fallacious argument.
Quote:Most people believe in the possibility of Aliens existing on other planets - why not include God, Angels and Demons in this belief?
The likely hood of their being other life forms in the universe is huge considering the size of the universe. It's been estimated that there is at least 500 million life capable planets in this galaxy alone. God, angels and all that crap lack evidence, value, credibility and explanatory power. Nuf said.
Quote:I'm not saying it proves God exists, but surely it exempts me for the burden of proof.
It doesn't.
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RE: Why do Athiests require 'proof' that God exists?
May 7, 2012 at 1:51 pm
(This post was last modified: May 7, 2012 at 1:53 pm by JesusLover.)
Firstly I must clarify that my argument is not that God exists, but that there is a possibility that he exists. In the same way that absence of evidence does not disprove your own conciousness to me, absence of evidence is not proof that God does not exist. That's my point.
(May 7, 2012 at 1:31 pm)Matt231 Wrote: It's sad that you don't see how stupid your logic is. You can't believe in something without a reason.
You believe there is no God without reason (unless you are a weak atheist).
(May 7, 2012 at 1:35 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I just spoke to Thor JL, told me that your god was a fairy tale. You don't need any "proof" right? Should I reserve you a spot at the next heathen ritual?
You know I actually posted this from a pocket calculator orbiting Jupiter, and I'm a radish.
This is interesting. I suppose Thor could be analogous to the God I refer to, why shouldn't he exist.
As for you being on Jupiter I can prove that's 99% impossible - there are no internet connections on Jupiter or a breathable atmosphere. In theroy scientists could go to Jupiter and look for you.
(May 7, 2012 at 1:36 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (May 7, 2012 at 1:31 pm)JesusLover Wrote: As a member of a religious community (in which the majority are religious) it is the Atheists challenging the status quo, they must justify their beliefs to me.
Argumentum ad populum, a logical fallacy.
I'm not saying it proves God exists, but surely it exempts me for the burden of proof.
(May 7, 2012 at 1:36 pm)Tobie Wrote: The problem with your reasoning here is aliens are actually likely to exist. But we don't know they exist, in fact current evidence suggests there is no life on other planets (no evidence has been found, certainly not living evidence).
(May 7, 2012 at 1:36 pm)Tobie Wrote: If tooth fairies exist, they are relevant also. Your god is no more relevant and no less ridiculous than they are.
Yes, if tooth fairies exist they would be very relevant. But it's unlikely they do because of reasons already discussed.
I think the existence of an omnipotent being is more relevant and less 'ridiculous' than the existence of tooth collecting tiny people.
(May 7, 2012 at 1:45 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: If gods can be compared to aliens, why should we worship them?
I'm not saying you should worship God, only consider the possibility that he exists.
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RE: Why do Athiests require 'proof' that God exists?
May 7, 2012 at 1:53 pm
I can shoot watermelons from my tits. I won't show you under and circumstances, but I can do it. PROVE ME WRONG.
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RE: Why do Athiests require 'proof' that God exists?
May 7, 2012 at 1:54 pm
(May 7, 2012 at 1:53 pm)Annik Wrote: I can shoot watermelons from my tits. I won't show you under and circumstances, but I can do it. PROVE ME WRONG.
Darn! What kind of genes do you have, and why did I miss it when they handed them out?!
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RE: Why do Athiests require 'proof' that God exists?
May 7, 2012 at 1:54 pm
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I believe that a small dancing troupe of pixies can be found in the outer reaches of space. They are undetectable to science. Disprove this. What's that, you can't? Must mean they exist.
We wouldn't be here if we hadn't considered the possibility of god existing. We did, and we said no.
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RE: Why do Athiests require 'proof' that God exists?
May 7, 2012 at 1:54 pm
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No you cant. You can't even prove you exist remember, the rest is all illusion.
Nope, Thor is not analogous, he specifically told me your god was a fictional entity. There's no question, Thor exists and Christ does not and did not.
Who said anything about the internet, I don't need the internet to post replies. No proof required on that one either right? I remain a radish.
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RE: Why do Athiests require 'proof' that God exists?
May 7, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Quote: As a member of a religious community (in which the majority are religious) it is the Atheists challenging the status quo, they must justify their beliefs to me.
Atheists do not need to justify anything as we are not making any claim, it is the theists who claim that gods exist, therefore the burden of proof is on them.
I have never seen a scrap of testable, falsifiable evidencce for any god anywhere, if I do I may well change my opinion, but until then I await the evidence.
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RE: Why do Athiests require 'proof' that God exists?
May 7, 2012 at 1:58 pm
I've said this before and can't recall who I stole it from to begin with... but I have an invisible monkey on my shoulder and he controls the weather. Every time it rains, you see the proof that he exists. Dare you say he isn't real without proof?
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RE: Why do Athiests require 'proof' that God exists?
May 7, 2012 at 1:58 pm
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(May 7, 2012 at 1:54 pm)Kayenneh Wrote: (May 7, 2012 at 1:53 pm)Annik Wrote: I can shoot watermelons from my tits. I won't show you under and circumstances, but I can do it. PROVE ME WRONG.
Darn! What kind of genes do you have, and why did I miss it when they handed them out?!
please let's keep this direction.^^
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RE: Why do Athiests require 'proof' that God exists?
May 7, 2012 at 1:58 pm
(May 7, 2012 at 1:51 pm)JesusLover Wrote: (May 7, 2012 at 1:31 pm)Matt231 Wrote: It's sad that you don't see how stupid your logic is. You can't believe in something without a reason. You believe there is no God without reason (unless you are a weak atheist). I believe there is no God because there is NO EVIDENCE. That IS a reason. And don't tell me that you believe in God because there is no evidence against it. The burden of proof is on you.
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